134 Responses

  • Thomas Says:

    Vote cannabis friendly candidates

    Regulation works….want proof

    ….Here is what happens when drugs are regulated…..

    Drugs in Portugal: Did Decriminalization Work?


    The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html#ixzz10klcLbcs

    L.E.A.P. has been saying this for years but was snubbed by the police here when Friends for Justice, Peaceful Sky Alliance, Americans For Safe Access, and Alternative Pain Management Sponsored David Bratzer an active duty Canadian police officer to come here and talk to the legislature, our county council members and police in Hawaii county. We raised over $600.00 to help bring David here so we could talk about what we can do to reduce the drug problems in Hawaii county. Hawaii county police and some of our politicians would not even participate in the discussion.

    Do they really want to fix the problem or not. You have talk honestly about what causes it, the results we have gotten under currant policy and what happens in other places that are regulating cannabis. Refusing to talk about it makes it worse.

    Everyone agrees we have a problem and doing the same thing that has created it, then expecting it to be corrected, is closed minded, self serving for some and doomed to fail, at great cost to our community.

    How many lives could be saved if we simply regulate cannabis………..

    Any politician that will not look at the facts and admit currant policy has failed is dangerously ignorant, or hopelessly complicit…………

    What can we do. We need to get rid of them, we need to vote. I am no fan of the system, but its the only one we have, yes its corrupt, and rigged, and ruled by money, but there are many of us that do not vote. Think of it as an act of civil disobedience because they do not want you to vote.

    Pick up people you know do not vote…. and get them registered then drive them to the polls. Its one of the easiest things we can do to effect change. 2 days one to register people and one to make sure they get to the poles.

    This election is very important we have made great progress over the last ten years. Some candidates want to move us backwards on cannabis policy, its easier to stop them now than fight them later.

    Vote for the progressive candidates, we will be making endorsements soon. We are giving all the candidates one last chance to state their policies on all the issues including cannabis, clearly and publicly.

    Remember we live in the largest cannabis community in the state. No one thought lowest law enforcement ordnance would pass. It not only passed it got more votes than Billy Kenoi.

    Everyone of you can make a difference but you have to vote, help us and help yourself. Bring at least one person to get registered and make sure everyone gets to the poles.

    This election and our future is ours to win or lose…….

    Vote, bring your family and friends and vote cannabis friendly. Thank you.

    We must move forward not backwards on this issue.

  • Ken Says:

    My apologies to Tiffany if you do not like HTH articles hyperlinked – but I found this story on HTH the other day – and what struck me as I read the comments posted by a certain blogger HTH has not yet seemed fit to ban – and I also see other posters to this news story blog have been banned by HTH – but I would like you to read the one poster – who seems to make it necessary to make post after post – but as his posts state – he is praying to his religious based god for the helicopters to crash and the occupants killed outright.

    So we see first hand how the insanity of Green Harvest brings out the insanity of religion.

    Also says something about the editorial board of HTH – who allow this sole posters comments.


  • Russell R. Says:

    Someone’s gonna have to say exactly which candidates FFJ considers ‘cannabis friendly’, otherwise this discussion won’t help. Most people, myself included, don’t know who you’re endorsing.

  • Peter S Says:

    Emily Naeole-Beason has voted in favor of marijuana-friendly resolutions … while TCEH says that Fred Blas has an “anti-marijuana stance.” TCEH has endorsed Fred Blas despite his position on marijuana. And yet this advertisement urges readers to vote for cannabis-friendly candidates.

    So I am confused. Do you personally support all or some cannabis-friendly candidates, or is this just the case of an issue ad that was published in the blog space?

  • Rev. Nancy Says:

    Friends for Justice, including some frequent bloggers here, has decided to support ALL Cannabis-friendly candidates.

    My take, as a Friends for Justice member:

    The way I see it, prior to the primary, that included more than one District 5 council candidate, but now the only candidate in District 5 that we support is Emily Naeole-Beason. In the District 6 race we support Brittany Smart. In the Gubernatorial race, it’s Abercrombie.

    In general, though, we think Big Island Chronicle readers are smart enough to figure out which candidates are cannabis friendly.

  • Tiffany Edwards Hunt Says:


    First, this is an ad.

    Second, I support the decriminalization of marijuana, or Cannabis, therefore I support this ad in principle.

    Third, I support Fred Blas.

    Fourth, I’m not a one issue kind of girl.

    Fifth, I don’t base my support or lack of support of a candidate on the marijuana issue alone.

    Sixth, I have discussed with Fred Blas the marijuana issue and I feel like he understands that marijuana isn’t really in Council’s purview. He does believe in the virtue of medical marijuana and that helicopters associated with Green Harvest are a nuisance, and we agree 100 percent on that.

    Generally, my support of Fred Blas has a lot more to do with his character and his openness with me than his position on marijuana — which I think can be influenced by reason, not coercion or yelling or demanding, which seems to be the trend these days.

    Why do I need to say, this is not about me ?

  • Thomas Says:


    First let me say Nancy Harris is a member of Friends for Justice, as am I, however well meaning she may be she is not a spokesperson for the group. The endorsements she made are hers and while many in the group may agree we have not issued our formal endorsements yet.

    We have been talking to candidates and discussing our endorsements and will be doing so again this Wednesday.

  • Rev. Nancy Says:

    @Thomas my name on this blog is Rev. Nancy. Period.

  • Thomas Says:

    The cannabis issue has been brushed aside for decades by those that are willing to vote for candidates that will continue to waste our tax dollars and resources fighting a losing war, because they promise to do good on other issues. Friends for Justice is not a one issue group but we are fighting to make changes in cannabis policy and to maintain the ground we have gained.

    Every day more lives are ruined by the currant policy that has been in place in Hawaii county for 35 years.

    Over 860,000 Americans were arrested for cannabis crimes last year most for possession and many were medical marijuana patients.

    How many lives have to be destroyed by the policy until we will make it a priority? Over 20 million Americans have had their lives disrupted and many have been ruined, at a cost of hundreds of billions of tax dollars. That does not take into consideration the economic loss that society suffers when those tax payers are thrown in jail and become tax liabilities, or that many will be unemployable, or not finish college. When will it be enough? 10 more years? that’s another 9 million Americans. Maybe 20 years? Another 1.8 million Americans destroyed. When will it be enough. For us it was when it was our families and our loved ones were the ones destroyed. When it happens to you, trust me many will say how could this still be happening, we support medical marijuana and we passed lowest law enforcement ordance.

    Somebody has to do this, somebody has to make their issue. That’s were we come in. We have other issues but as much as some want to trivialize this we believe they are wrong, this is huge and affects us all in profound ways.

    We have come to far to go back even a step. there are hundreds of residents in jail, on trial, or being arrested right now.

    If it worked or things were getting better maybe it would be defensible, but not only has failed it has made it worse.

    A lot of people are talking about teen use, well we have one of the highest in the world. It got that way with the currant policy, I know some people just can not comprehend this and will not listen. That does not change the facts.

    Regulation will reduce that. Its what we all say we want………but not right now, we have other issues so we have to compromise.

    Read the first post on this thread, we can do better right now and our elected representatives need to lead the way not hold us back.

    Its about the best interest of our community, our economy, about social justice, and bringing us all together so we can work on all the issues.

    Currant cannabis policy divides us and holds us all back. How can we work together when some want to attack us? Fixing this starts right here in the county, they are the ones arresting us, stealing our cars and our homes, not the feds, not the state. The county is the one prosecuting medical patients every day. Talk is cheap, it sounds good to say we support medical cannabis so why are we (the county) prosecuting them? This is about so much more than cannabis, we have to end this now.

  • Rob Tucker Says:

    “Friends for Justice is not a one issue group…..”

    I’d be interested in knowing more about the other issues.


  • Tiff Says:

    @ Rob,

    Me too.

  • Thomas Says:

    Rob and Tiff

    I have said this before, so I must not be presenting it very well for people to still have that question. If you want the answer you are going to have to really read this. I would like to hear back if you think I am wrong about the issues I raise and if so why. I spent a lot of time researching this because you ask, what I hope is a serious question.

    Friends for Justice was formed for what it sounds like we want justice, not just for marijuana defendants we want justice for everyone. Marijuana was our Nexis because there were so many of us that we were bumping into each other in the courts, and the police were doing a lot of things that we have already talked about. We have evolved and grown a lot since that first meeting about 18 months ago.

    Some of us run businesses (I have several), some are professionals, some of us are hippies, some college kids, we have an MTV camera man, and lots of medical marijuana patients, some are very sick. There are four doctors that are members of friends for justice and we have a stock broker that worked at Goldman Sachs in New York and Tokyo.

    Some of us lost everything when we were arrested. Some of our family members were abused and some are traumatized to this day.

    We want to create opportunities for people, for ourselves and the jobs we all need. We want to bring these jobs to places like Puna. The jobs we want to create are not limited to Hilo or other centers. We believe that jobs and opportunities are an important part of reducing crime and drug abuse. other goals of ours.

    If you talk to us, and get past the fact we do talk about marijuana as our vehicle, you will see for many of us that is all it is, a vehicle we use to achieve many of the things you all talk about here.

    We understand what many do not seem to about how this war on cannabis like any war impacts our economy in lots of way almost all negatively for the majority, many of our families are stressed even destroyed, it creates hardships that leads to higher drug abuse rates. We all live here and many own homes, so believe it or not we care about roads, traffic, crime, and every thing most every one else does.

    Jobs….We know how to create jobs, try really listening, some of our members are very motivated and innovative we have a lot to offer. Many dismiss us simply because we do not believe marijuana should be criminalized. If we want marijuana regulated that is all you need to know about us. News flash The president as did most other presidents used marijuana, the Governor of California did and on and on.

    They went on as do most others that use marijuana to be very productive members of our country. If they had been busted that could have been a very different outcome.

    We (FFJ) want legal jobs for the farmers. Many of the best farmers in Hawaii county work under the harshest conditions possible because of the currant policy, but that is also where the money is (because of the laws). They produce more marijuana today than at any time in at least the last 20 years.

    We (FFJ) want to bring them into the mainstream legal economy. They could produce thousands of good jobs and tens of millions of tax dollars just in growing and processing medical marijuana. The boost to the businesses that supply the farmers would be huge. It will also take a lot of marijuana off the street and put it into controlled distribution, making it harder for minors to get it.


    The economic stimulus will be hard to measure but restaurants, surf shops, car dealers, real estate, construction, and just about every other business will benefit. Those businesses pay taxes so the tax base expands. New industries such as medical dispensaries and other natural healing centers will open creating more jobs.

    By far the biggest job creation will come from hemp, not cannabis.

    Hemp farmers built this country, at several points in our history you could pay your taxes with hemp.

    If you do a little research you will find the hemp industry is growing by leaps and bounds around the world. Its already a billion dollar industry and its severely restricted. I believe it could be hundreds of times bigger. Europe and Canada and other countries have expanding hemp industries.

    Hemp will be a major economic engine in Hawaii and Hawaii county in particular. Why wait?

    all kinds of industries will be created. Many will be manufacturing in nature. Cloth, food, fuel, paper, cosmetics, medicine, animal feeds, building materials. We want these jobs and the economic activity they spur, we know a lot about this and many of us (FFJ) will open businesses. Some of us are working on business plans already and building networks that stretch around the world.

    Hawaii could and should lead the country on this, its going to happen and although we already have name recognition we could capture a huge market share.

    Hawaiian hemp and medicine will be more popular than Kona coffee. The medicine already is. Like it or not its world famous.

    So if you can get by the marijuana that is how we can do all this you get………

    The economy, (reduced enforcement, prosecution and incarceration cost, increased tax revenue part of that to be used to fund education, and treatment, we want to reduce police corruption, reduce drug abuse, reduce crime, greatly reduce oil imports, and restore our civil liberties.

    We believe reforming cannabis laws is one of the best ways to do all of those things.

    I hope that answers your question.

    Here are some links to back up what I just said about the economic potential of changing our laws….

    Vote for candidates that understand this, we need jobs not jails, that is the key to all our other issues.

    Fuel of the Future?

    The Economics, History and Politics of Hemp Fuels

    By David Malmo-Levine
    Friday, January 18, 2008
    Part One: The Economics of Hemp Fuels


    “In the most favorable growing conditions, we obtained yields of up to 15,000 kg of stem dry matter per hectare (6,070 kg per acre). Under similar conditions, other crops such as maize, sugar beet or potato produced similar dry matter yields. All results indicate that as far its yield is concerned, fiber hemp is in no way exceptional.”

    “The added cost of the extra drying needed for crops such as sugar cane, corn and Napier grasses make these high moisture plants an inefficient source for growing methanol. The (Hawaii Natural Energy) Institutes’ 1990 report concluded that thermo chemical (pyrolytic) production of methanol from biomass is the most economical alternative for transportation fuel. They also confirmed Stanford Research Institutes’ conclusion from the late seventies that woody or low moisture herbaceous plants are the most efficient biomass resource for thermo chemical conversion into liquid fuels such as methanol. It is the cellulose in low moisture herbaceous and woody plants that provides the hydrocarbons necessary for fuel production. … Hemp is both a low moisture herbaceous and a woody plant.”

    Here are a series of videos on the economics and products hemp produces.



    The US Hemp Market:

    An economic examination of the hemp industry.

    Richard A. Adams

    Baker College Center for Graduate Studies


    Benefits to the hemp industry would include increased market shares on an international basis, substantially higher profit margins, reduced production costs, the potential to benefit from increased economies of scale, increased product development potential, and the opening of new markets for current and newly developed products.

    Benefits to the National economy would include the creation of a new and highly profitable agricultural industry, increased trade opportunities, an increase in the GNP, improved environmental conditions, new tax resources, and reduced costs with respect to enforcement of current laws.

    Personal benefits would include the ability to add additional, profitable, product lines to those currently carried by my firm, personal economic savings resulting from reduced costs of goods resulting from such changes, and the social benefits inherent in use of more environmentally beneficial products.


    Economic Prosperity
    for a New Millenium
    Compiled by BACH:
    The Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp


    A New, Multi-Billion Dollar Discovery –With over 50,000 commercial uses, today’s hemp is the most versatile, sustainable and valuable natural resource on Earth. Conservative estimates of its profit potential surpass $500 billion per year and tens of thousands of new jobs, once the trade barriers are removed and this valuable cash crop is again allowed to compete. Restoring hemp to its traditional role as the primary source of food, clothing, shelter, fuel, paper, fiber, medicine and other consumer goods will put money into local communities for an ecological and financially stable economy.

    The Economics of Hemp
    Dollars and Sense


    In July 1998, the University of Kentucky released a study entitled the “Economic Impact of Industrial Hemp in Kentucky.” The following excerpts come from the study’s conclusion.

    “The primary finding regarding economic feasibility was that industrial hemp appears to be a potentially profitable crop for farmers as well as a profitable input into a number of high value added products in the United States. Industrial hemp appears to be useful for higher value products in industries ranging from health supplements, nutraceuticals, food products, animal feed, and animal bedding to paper, carpets, and automobile parts.


    The Economics of Hemp
    Proponents, including many Hawai‘i
    folk, are changing the way we think
    about industrial hemp.


    David West, the Wisconsin plant breeder/geneticist who oversees O‘ahu’s experimental hemp plot, the only place in the entire nation where industrial hemp is grown legally.


    Economics of Cannabis Legalization
    Detailed Analysis Of The Benefits Of Ending Cannabis Prohibition (1994)
    June 1994
    by Dale Gieringer, Ph.D.
    Coordinator, California NORML



    Monday, April 20, 2009
    Hemp Science and Economics
    Now that it’s 4/20/09, it’s time to revisit what President Barack Obama said about using hemp to empower our economy.



    The Bottom Line: Marijuana legalization would save California economy

    By Devin Graham


    Published: Sunday, September 26, 2010

    Updated: Sunday, September 26, 2010

    There are pivotal tipping points in which countries must make important decisions – decisions that will drastically affect the their future. This will be one of those situations.


  • Thomas Says:

    We have to do this for the economy, for the environment, and because we are destroying some of our most productive residents.

    100% Hemp Products
    By Hemp Plastic · View Photos

    Its biodegradable and we can make it right here…..

    Why would any politician not support this?


    Solar Powered, Hemp Bodied Electric Car – Now That’s Green


    Injection Moulded Hemp Plastic Products


  • Ken Says:

    While I fully support the decriminalization of marijuana, as well as its regulation and taxation, I do think that supporting ANY candidate over another solely on this issue is a bit ridiculous.

    While I think Fred’s stance on marijuana makes him a pretty ignorant person, I think supporting the biggest debacle this island has ever seen, as in Emily, solely over the issue of marijuana is even more ignorant.

    This is Fred’s race to win. That is if he really wants it.

    Just to remind everyone that of the 400 plus “locals” arrested last year for less than an ounce of possession, this was done by a Police Chief – who is “local” while the Mayor sits back and does nothing – who is also a “local” and one primary judge who inflicts outrageous punishments – who is also a “local.”

    Yes, the Feds got Roger. But the “locals” are the ones busting and ruining “locals” lives over less than an ounce!

    Remember that.

  • Thomas Says:

    Ken did you read the post above?

    You may have posted before it went up, if so I hope that explains that it is about a lot more than marijuana.

    We want jobs. I just outlined not only how to get jobs but an entire industry.

    What is Freds plan to bring us jobs? The voters do not know, he refuses to come out and and even talk to us. FFJ sent him an e-mail and as of yet we did not get a response of any kind.

    as for the hundred arrested every years for cannabis you are correct if I understood your use of the word “local”. The chief of police works for the county, the council is the check and balance for the county police.

    It cost us the tax payers millions of dollars to do that in county, state, and federal tax dollars.

    We have record foreclosure rates in Puna. Drive through paradise park and you will see countless half built or foreclosed homes that are overgrown and abandoned.

    What is Freds plan to fix that. Emily has supported the cannabis industry, and will continue to do so.

    Like it or not it produces more economic activity right now than any other crop on the big island.

    That economic activity is not concentrated in corporate hands its individual farmers.

    Bringing those farmers into the mainstream economy will produce hundreds of millions in economic benifit to Hawaii and a lot of that money will flow to Hawaii county.

    A lot will flow to Puna.

    Again we do not believe Fred understands this, he will not discuss it with us, and at the same time he has presented no economic plan of his own.

    Can you please explain the ignorance of our position as we are anything but ignorant. We know more about this than anyone. Like us or not we are the experts. We are also working at the state and federal level and are making good progress. The majority of the people in district want the policy changed. It makes no sense to support a candidate that will fight that effort and refuses to speak to the voters in public about any issues.

    Vote for you think will be best but do so from an informed perspective. That is what we are working for.

    We want the voters to understand what we get from our representative and think we have a pretty good idea about both candidates.

    We have waited to make endorsements because we want to hear from Fred Blas.

    We have heard from every other candidate on the issue. Fred Blas is the only one who we know nothing about.

    Third parties are making his case, we do not see that as good leadership or as being open.

    If elected why should we expect to be able to communicate with Fred when he will no longer need our votes?

    We will be making endorsements soon. We hope to hear from Fred on the issues particularly on the budget, and job creation, before we do.

    That is one very good reason to want the Representative

  • Thomas Says:

    The last line should read

    There are very good reasons to want the Representative from district 5 should support cannabis reform.

    sorry I am multitasking.

  • Rob Tucker Says:

    Thank you Thomas for the lengthy discourse. There is really nothing there I did not know in 1975. It is not news to me.

    I sympathize with your positions but have to admit I have been getting a bit weary of hearing a tune played on a one string harp. So aside from marijuana I now understand that your other issues are marijuana, marijuana, marijuana, marijuana and marijuana. It is indeed a multifaceted platform. (I’m trying to be humorous)

    I do not see any county council anywhere being the venue for the solutions you seek. You may as well be asking a council candidate for their positions on abortion/choice. It may be informative but as a subject will not be available for a council vote. I know you will argue with that point so it isn’t necessary.

    Regarding proactive marijuana lobbying…. California is best poised, on a state level, to take the dialogue forward in real terms. November will be interesting in California. CoH is an unrewarding place to make such a stand and it detracts from more pressing council level concerns.

    I wish you well in your endeavors but feel you are beginning to turn off sympathizers like myself with the constant repetition.

    From what I know to date I am in agreement with Fred Blas that children should not be imbibing on any such substances. I am in agreement with Fred Blas that medical marijuana has legitimate benefits for medical conditions.

  • Russell R. Says:

    I agree with what Ken said. As for Fred and the FFJ, you’re beating a dead horse. If cannabis-friendly is your top voting criteria, don’t vote for Fred, that’s all you can do. He’s not gonna change who he is. We’ve had lots of cannabis-unfriendly representation in Puna – including ALL previous councilors, our state senator, etc.
    So FFJ should support Emily if you can do so. Other multi-issue voters have to make their own decision. Long columns will not change Fred’s position. I doubt he’s reading, anyway.

    I agree with Tiff in part about Hawaii County and cannabis law – for the most part, it’s not a county issue. If we want industrial hemp, which I agree could save our economy and environment, then we must lobby at the state and federal level. The place I disagree is the Lowest Priority ordinance, which IS the county’s turf, and which the county should uphold to the extent possible. In that sense, Ken’s comments are important. This county is still actively criminalizing people in violation of voter-approved law.

  • James Weatherford Says:

    What is Fred’s position on multiple and unresolved allegations of misconduct of County law enforcement officers enforcing cannabis laws?
    This is about justice, not something so simple as a plant.

  • Rob Tucker Says:

    I also have a lot of agreement with Ken and Russel. I have a family with teenagers and I have managed to acquire a home a some property to shelter and support us.

    Marijuana, in a simple cost/benefit analysis, offers my family way too many risks for me to consider in our lifestyle. I don’t want my daughters smoking marijuana. Someday, as adults, they can make their own decisions.

    It saddens me to see the families impacted so severely when busted. I would prefer to not see that happening. I have trouble understanding how they determined that growing, using or selling an illegal substance was a good decision. It is not a secret that there are costly penalties.

  • Buddah Belly Says:

    Aloha All Friends,

    We as a group have been meeting for approximately a year now. And our goals include (but are not limited to):

    *Moral and Trial support for each other (for people arrested for cannabis, medical, spiritual, lowest law enforcement priority and other).

    *To get the County to uphold the Peaceful Sky Laws.

    *To hold the County liable for actions of Police and Prosecutors.

    *To help Doctors and Medical Marijuana Patients.

    *To help Cannabis Ministries and their congregations.

    So, if you would like to check out our website, the link is up above. If you would like to help end the misery of 1,000’s of people made felons for using a plant, than please join us! This group started by us folks running into each other in court, over and over again, and some of us are still facing criminal charges after 3 years… the wheels of justice turn slow here if you stand up for your rights…Some of us are facing extortion of money to keep our home… That does not happen to murders, rapists, bank robbers, child molesters, etc… but it happens to non-violent citizens who happen to like weed.

    So I am sorry if our “one track mind” bothers some of you, but our government, police and laws have made it our life work, we are living it everyday, and we are determined to change things so more people will not suffer.

  • Rob Tucker Says:

    I certainly respect your efforts. Nothing about “peaceful” bothers me in the least.

  • Thomas Says:

    Russel Al Smith was a cannabis friendly councilor he fought green harvest. Helene Hale was very cannabis friendly and visionary if you ask me, she believed in regulation of cannabis. They both represented Puna very effectively. Your blanket statement

    “We’ve had lots of cannabis-unfriendly representation in Puna – including ALL previous councilors, our state senator, etc.

    Is way off base and inaccurate, I am not trying to make you mad by pointing that out but I do not believe that is correct some were unfriendly some were friendly.

    However much behind the scenes Faye Hano Hano, and Russel Kokubon have voted cannabis friendly quite often. To make a point we supported neither Hano Hano or Kokubon in the primary because there were candidates like Marzi, and Micheal Hale that were also cannabis friendly and more vocal in supporting reforms.

    As for beating dead horses Rob, on teen use. Regulation makes it harder to get, because it moves it off the street where it can be regulated.

    We have one of the highest teen rates in the world, that is a direct result of the policy it seems everyone agrees Fred will be supporting.

    The black market drives people to take those risk by driving the prices to what ever level it takes until some one that has no job or needs money for what ever reasons decides to grow it. Many are good people in bad spots, many have a hard time understanding the real consequences when people everywhere they go use it. Its joked about even by our own president when ask, its funny until you are arrested.

    Feigning support since 1975 but doing nothing about it seems long enough. Since that time over ten million Americans and there families have been devastated not by marijuana but by bieng arrested, again, MOST FOR SIMPLE POSSESION. not growing or commercial charges.

    If you do not want to know do not ask, no one makes you read my post, I am glad we are talking about it and plenty of people here are saying to vote for Fred even if he refuses to tell us his plans.

    What is Fred’s plan to help people losing their homes? What are Freds plans to generate jobs?

    Vote for him if you want and do not care he will not speak openly about what he will do, but I want to know, and he needs to speak for himself.

    You continue to frame us a one issue group, I have laid out why you are mistaken. Reread the post, I have explained the county you is spending millions we do not have and shrinking the tax base and economic activity that could help most businesses here.

    I can not make you vote for anyone, people here have said if you do not like it do something. We already do lots of things, because we love it here, we are a big part of this community and have been for generations, we have earned our right to our opinions and this add is one of the ways we express it.

    Its strange how some want to silence us while claiming to support our goals, just not yet, just not this time.

    We know little about Fred Blas’s plans, what we do know leaves a lot to be desired he is no Helen Hale.

    The arguments for Fred are more about people not liking Emily than confidence in Fred. A lot of that is personal, this is not a personality contest a lot is at stake. I appreciate how you feel do you give me the same appreciation.

    On ethics. Is it appropriate to be doing work for others when running for office, it could be seen as an attempt to buy votes. How much do people save when Fred does their yard work? Is Fred being held to a different standard than Emily? Some may be swayed by that others like Tiffany may not but is it ethical, while stumping for votes?

    If so Why?

  • Russell R. Says:

    Thomas, I stand corrected if that’s true about Al and Helene. I never heard ANY Puna councilor fight for this issue, but I have not always been paying attention!
    No one is minimizing the concerns here, and FFJ’s mission is to be supported. But all you can about Fred is vote against him if that’s your choice. I don’t think you’ll change the mind of an unresponsive candidate, no matter how much info you post here. He is who he is, and we have to deal with that.
    Fortunately, I believe Brittany will win in Dist. 6, and Lower Puna’s council vote will not be pivotal on most votes. Thank goodness that all other rural districts came through the primary with reasonable choices. If Brittany wins, which is CRUCIAL, we will have a sane council majority for a change, despite the presence of Fred or Emily. Hallelujah!

  • Thomas Says:

    I agree Russel

  • Tiff Says:


    We disagree on the sidewalks in Pahoa issue (you kinda irked me when you made that comment as I was walking with my friend to breakfast this morning), but I 100 percent agree with your post here. 100 percent.


  • Kim Jordan Says:

    Ditto what Tiff said!

  • Rob Tucker Says:


    I grant you a rain check for one irk.


  • Thomas Says:

    FFJ paid for this add to promote cannabis friendly candidates.

    Its becoming clearer everyday that Fred is not one of those candidates.

    Its also pretty clear he wants a free pass and will continue to refuse to address the community, after many chances have been provided to him. Some here support that position, its your right, but not on our dime, have a little respect.

    We are not paying for this add to promote Fred Blas.

    If you guys want to promote him buy your own add.

    We have been insulted and made fun of by people to narrow minded to understand the millions on millions of dollars wasted on cannabis eradication and enforcement that could be funding schools, roads, sidewalks, parks, or any number of projects. You get zero bang for those dollars as the marijuana just keeps coming, and more kids than ever are using it.

    The results speak for them self. Some of the comments about what we stand for are juvenile in their logic and just not true, its really insulting to the years of work we have done. That is community service work none of us are paid. How many do nothing at all but complain, we are doing something disagree if you like but do not discount how much of our time and money we give to this community.

    We need jobs if we are going to get out of the mess we are in.

    Like it or not legal or illegal marijuana is one of the biggest industries on this island right now and has been for a long time. You are fooling yourselves to believe it is not a wide spectrum of issues that this policy impacts.

    It’s sad that people who feel so superior (or act like they do) can not understand they could reduce drug abuse among teens and fund so many of the projects they want with reform of the cannabis laws.

    That is not speculation it is a fact, how much worse does it have to get until you see it. When it is your daughter who will you blame then, not your self surly, but who then.
    We have to fix it now. Doing the same thing has not fixed it so why will it magically fix it now, please explain it to us.

    To those who will not even consider our plan, lets here yours, its easy to complain what do you propose.

    We have a realistic solution to help Puna, Hawaii county, and the whole state. Its already working in Portugal, and counties around the nation. Reject it if you want, vote for more of the same, but at least tell us your plan.

    Contrary to what some have claimed here other counties around the country are already doing this successfully. we should learn from them so we can do even better.

    How are you going to keep more people from losing their homes and how are you going to put them back to work? We want to know, most the people I know need more work now.

    We have to move forward the cannabis policy Fred supports doesn’t work, its expensive, destructive, divisive, and creates criminals out of many hard working very good people.

    Many of the same people that worked for Emily are now the ones here condemning her, if you were so wrong then why should we listen to you now?

  • Rob Tucker Says:


    Can you describe the progress Emily has achieved on this subject over the past four years in office? Maybe I missed something.

    My suggestion is that you concentrate on having the Federal government reclassify marijuana as a less dangerous substance – one that can be produced and regulated in the manner of nicotine and alcohol.

    Regarding the performance of the Police Department… it is best to work on Mayor Kenoi, Emily’s cousin. Oversight of the Police Department is an administrative function. The Lowest Priority Initiative passed and became an administrative issue. I am not aware of a county criminal code.

    You asked for suggestions…..

  • Jerry Carr Says:

    As someone who supports decriminalization myself (but isn’t a one issue voter,) could I also make a suggestion for Thomas? Edit your posts or use links to cover the more lengthy parts. After about thirty lines, I think a lot of people get overloaded and just scroll on down to the next post. You make some good points, but they sometimes get lost in the volume.

  • James Weatherford Says:

    There are tasks remaining for the County Council explicitly required in the Lowest Law Enforcement Priority Ordinance:
    1) establish a community oversight process to ensure compliance with the ordinance; and
    2) ensure there are no funds appropriated nor accepted for uses inconsistent with the ordinance.

    As for oversight, the Council does have the authority to initiate a better independent oversight process.

  • Rob Tucker Says:

    Thank you James,

    Can you tell us what has occurred on this oversight and what role Emily has played in that?

  • Ken Says:

    I agree with you Thomas. 100%.

    On your stance about marijuana as well as what a council member should do and what Puna needs.

    However, with respect to only the race between Emily and Fred, I too am very concerned about Fred’s positions on the various topics. Although he has shown great restraint at opening his mouth, he has opened his mouth on his stance about marijuana. And he needs to change that, in my opinion. He has not opened his mouth at the other topics and issues. That does not mean Emily is suited to be the best candidate. Nor should a proven grossly inept council member be reelected solely because she supports one and only one issue and that being marijuana. As for what Puna needs, I fail to see how Emily has contributed to that at all. What has she done to create jobs? (Not the trash station, Police or Fire – she had nothing to do with that) What has she done to lower taxes?

    Yes Fred has said nothing, but Emily HAS DONE NOTHING. Deeds speak louder than words sometimes.

    I would like to ask ALL people running for ANY government position – inclusive of both Fred and Emily – “Would you raise taxes and/or cut civil services solely to fund marijuana eradication?” That’s a question I would like to hear answered by EACH member running for office. This matter needs to become a line item budget cut for next year’s budget. Our spineless, gutless self serving Mayor does not have the inclination to tell his Chief – “see this line here – it’s gone.” Our Council needs to do that. That’s really about all they can do.

    While I still am not sure of Fred – as I have always said – its his race to win. But he needs to idle down the weed whackers for a few and state his positions. NOW IS THE TIME FOR HIM TO OPEN HIS MOUTH!

    Unfortunately, the race is Fred or Emily. My whole point is that supporting Emily ONLY and SOLELY because she is “cannabis friendly” does not make much sense.

    In as much as I agree with your position on what a council member should do as well as I agree with you position on marijuana laws – I just can not agree to support the absolute worse person ever to have held elected office here on this island solely because of marijuana laws and issues.

    As for the council as a whole – to expect them to do anything about marijuana laws in any foreseeable time in the future is asking a whole heck of a lot. Even with the potential the “new council” has once these remaining idiots get voted off. Do you think this island will see any form of ethics reform in our lifetimes?

    If Fred came out today and said he has changed his mind and favors the full and total decriminalization of marijuana – would you and your group blindly support him over Emily?

    And when we consider the primary individual who on a daily basis discusses, approves, supervises and directs these eradication measures is our own “local” Chief of Police – I think the “buck” needs to start there along with our own “local” Mayor.

    Unfortunately, our Mayor is not up for reelection, and our Chief is sealed in his County of Hawaii employment for life bubble that leaves him untouchable.

    My use of the term “locals” is meant to state that we do not have a Chief of Police who retired here from Dallas Texas where they kill people for fun. Nor are we arresting rich white kids who moved here from Los Angeles with a boat load of money for possession of less than an ounce of marijuana. We have a home boy arresting home boys. And a Mayor home boy sitting back and doing nothing about it.

    That is what I mean by the term ‘local.”

    I am not saying Fred is the answer. But I am definitely saying that Emily is a proven disaster – and becomes the true definition of insanity – which is of course, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results each time.

    I would think at least for credibility sake – your group would offer no support for either candidate. The San Francisco Chronicle did just that recently.

    In this particular race, supporting EITHER candidate over the other solely over marijuana is the equivalent of Catholics supporting the burning of the Koran. It becomes ridiculous.

  • Tiff Says:

    Keep in mind, I am a proponent of the decriminalization of marijuana.

    James, I consider you a very intelligent man, how is that you believe that the Lowest Law Enforcement Priority of Cannabis Ordinance is actually enforceable?

    Please be very specific in answering this question for me…


  • James Weatherford Says:

    What has Emily done?
    To my knowledge, nothing.

    How to enforce?
    The community oversight could require volunteers, as is done with other groups asked by the County to fulfill a civic task.
    The requirement of not accepting nor appropriating funds is to be done in budget action by Council. The ‘Eradication’ line item was zeroed out. Are County resources still being used in ways inconsistent with the ordinance? Someone on Council needs to ask the Mayor and the Chief. Will Fred? Will Emily?
    Most important is to keep the matter open for public discussion with and among all the parts of the community who are involved. It is not good enough for those taking the public pay to just shrug their shoulders and cop out with no serious attempt to make democracy (i.e., the will of the voters) work.

  • Rob Tucker Says:

    Thank you James,

    I’d kinda like to hear from Thomas on exactly what Emily has done to support his causes. IT has been a couple years since the Lowest Priority passed. She has been on council that whole time.

    I have been told by another council member that ‘Emily is the swing vote. She could have delivered to Puna anything and everything Puna needs or wants’.

    Assuming that you have an ally in such a highly leveraged position: What has Emily done in the past two years for the cause you devote your days and hours to?

  • Thomas Says:

    I am going to try and take the advise of Jerri Carr as I know she is right about the lengthy post.

    A lot has been covered since I went to work away from my office.

    I am going to make short reply’s instead of trying to squeeze them in to one post.

    Let me start with Rob

    Emily has introduced and or supported every resolutions and bill over the last two years that supported moving Hawaii county towards regulation of Cannabis or clarifying the lowest law enforcement obligations of the county. Every one of them, I can not name them all with out some work I am reluctant to do as I do not think it will make a difference to you anyway.

    I did testify at more council hearing over the last 2 years than I can remember. Emily introduced or supported every bill FFJ testified for.

    She has publicly supported marijuana defendants that she knows, when there homes were taken and or they were abused by the police and legal process. Including writing character letters to the judge for some of them. So has Steve Hirakami and many others but I am getting off point so I will end this one here.

    I hope that helps you Rob.

  • Thomas Says:

    One more thing Rob, Most of those resolutions or bills did not pass as Emily was not the swing vote on that issue. Brenda Ford and Domonic Yagong were likely the swing votes with Ikeda, Onishi, Enriques, and Yoshimoto the block that stood in our way.

  • Rob Tucker Says:

    It does. It was more than I was aware of.


  • Thomas Says:

    With Brittney Smart, Brenda Ford, Angel Pilago, Domonic Yagong, and Emily we would have a much better shot at some reform.

    I do not see Hofman, Ikeda, Onishi, or Yoshimoto helping us.

    So Fred would and could do us great harm on cannabis reform.

  • Thomas Says:

    This one is for Ken.

    I hear you loud and clear, and thank you. I agree with you except for when It comes to Fred or Emily. I respect and understand your opinion. I do not agree entirely although you make some points I think most agree with.

    Fred is an unknown on almost every issue except cannabis reform. Its pretty clear he opposes reform.

    He did return the FFJ e-mail this evening and declined our forum so we will not be scheduling one as it was the reason we were willing to do it.

    Fred did say he is planning an “event” to be announced, we look forward to that and hope the public will be able to ask some of the many questions we all have.

    Finally I believe Emily has done some good, that does not excuse throwing pens and the like, and I will not make excuses for Emily, however I believe she has been humbled by the events of the past year. I think we will see a new better Emily in the coming weeks. People learn from their mistakes.

    That is just my opinion having known Emily for about 30 years, and after talking with her last week at the free Roger Christie rally. It will be up to Emily to prove me right or wrong on that. I do know Emily has a good heart, she has made some mistakes for sure however I will take a good heart over a cold heart (as it relates to cannabis law) or another politician that tries to play both sides while ducking the issues. I am getting older and have seen to many politicians lead us down the wrong path.

    Right now I can not support Fred, for all the reasons I have stated and because we need those resources wasted on the war on cannabis for the many other issues we have. Like 911 response times, violent crimes, property crimes, roads, sidewalks, ect.

    Millions and millions of dollars that are wasted and bring us no benefit and while doing us great social harm.

  • Tiff Says:

    Jerry Carr is a man.

  • Thomas Says:

    oops…….Thanks Tiffy …..sorry Jerry

    Thank you for the advice again……..

  • Doc Says:

    I just read the ex-Prime Minister of Iceland was indited for causing the collapse of the currency in Iceland, and is looking at two years. Wow. How long does a pot bust get you? We humans sure have some strange priorities.

  • damon Says:

    @ Thomas

    “…We are not paying for this add to promote Fred Blas.

    If you guys want to promote him buy your own add.

    We have been insulted and made fun of by people to narrow minded to understand the millions on millions of dollars wasted on cannabis eradication and enforcement that could be funding schools, roads, sidewalks, parks, or any number of projects. You get zero bang for those dollars as the marijuana just keeps coming, and more kids than ever are using it…”

    Damon asking a question?

    How much do you pay for ads here?

    Hello? You sponsor a blog and then ask for advertising space in her “Blog Space” and then ask not to be criticized?

    Geez… lol

    Once again… I don’t know how Tiff’s advertisements or sponsorships work…

    But it is sad when a sponsor is yelling at the person that is allowing their thoughts to be posted on their site!

  • Russell R. Says:

    Good point Doc. This is the absurdity of the situation. David Finley, a non-violent grower, got 20 years quite recently. This is much more than most violent offenders, rapists or murderers get. Many other families are broken up, and fortunes squandered on defense and forced plea deals.
    The judge in Finley’s case said just last week he must give jail time to teach respect for the law. But seeing this discrepancy, as we all do, fosters disdain for the law, not respect.

  • Tiff Says:


    I really didn’t feel insulted, nor did I feel like I have made fun of anyone or that I’m lumped in as one of the narrow-minded folks to whom Thomas was referring.

    But if Thomas was referring to me, so be it. I do not censor people who insult me, even if they are advertisers.

    Now, if they make a regular habit of insulting or generally are a nuisance, I do block them.

  • Anonymous Says:

    How is it that smoking more dope is the solution to anything?

  • Russell R. Says:

    Anonymous: It helps with spelling. (JK)
    Seriously, how is it that harsher sentences for growers than murderers is the solution?

  • Tiff Says:

    Along with the absurdity of sentencing in marijuana cases versus violent crimes or bad acts against people, you touched on something that is bothersome to me, Russell.

    Disdain for the law. When laws are absurd. At the federal, marijuana prohibition. At the local level, smoking in vehicles with child passengers.

    With marijuana being illegal and with a whole underground industry here, you have generations of children growing up in households with a secret. These children learn too young to question authority, to despise authority, really, to have disdain for the law.

    Basically, in not having the critical thinking skills developed, they do not learn to differentiate between the absurd and the sensible, like, let’s see, what is a good law? Common sense laws, I suppose. It is criminal offense steal, kill, molest, rape… Those are good laws.

  • Russell R. Says:

    I agree, Tiff. Along the same lines is the fact of marijuana being a Class A narcotic, same category as heroin, for dangerous drugs without any medical use. This untenable situation breeds distrust of any government drug warnings, which is a shame. Because it would be great if warnings about ice and heroin were heeded. But kids learn early that the messages are B.S. and learn to tune them out.

  • Tiff Says:

    How about this one, Russell? We have a law for public intoxication, but in the State of Hawaii it is not against the law to be under the influence of ice.

    You’d think our c o o l legislators would introduce a bill to take care of that… You’d think, ahead of banning smoking in vehicles with child passengers, our council members would write a R E S O L U T I O N urging our state Legislators to pass such a bill.

  • Jerry Carr Says:

    Thank you, Tiff, for clarifying my gender. No offense taken, Thomas, and you are quite welcome to the advice.

  • Thomas Says:

    Arresting people for doing something that is a personal choice, is extremely destructive. Many times it removes them from the work force, meaning they not only do not spend money in the economy, they do not pay taxes any longer, they become tax liabilities for all of us. Sometimes for the rest of their lives.

    When a kid in collage (maybe your child) becomes a felon, never finishes school and never reaches their potential, for a marijuana crime, we all lose. Over 20 million Americans have been arrested already. How many could have been real assets to our country, but for a cannabis conviction?

    A felony marijuana conviction does little or nothing to reduce drug abuse. A person that has reduced opportunities is more likely to become a substance abuser than one with a bright future with more opportunities.

    Give us a chance for a good life with a good job and most will choose that over drugs.

    There are things we can do about this, let us help.

  • Matt Says:


    you asked above about what could be done to enforce the LLEPCO…

    one area would be to elect a prosecutor to replace Jay Kimura…the prosecutor could indeed decide to honor the wishes of the voters and not prosecute people for violating the LLEPCO. (The city prosecutor in Seattle ran on such a platform and won)….

  • Dwight Kondo Says:

    It boils down to this:


    free roger
    vote emily

  • H. Noble Says:

    Aloha All,
    I want to remind everyone that just because someone say’s something doesn’t mean it’s true. Ken say’s “Emily has done nothing”. Ken are you sure about that? Want to bet on it? Really, do want to put your money where your mouth is because I would take that bet any day of the week. I think it was because of Emily that I now have Hele On bus service coming into my subdivision several times a day. I have lived here for over 20 years and Emily is the first council person to bring any kind of useful services to lower Puna. Secondly, as I remember it, it was not until Emily got on the Council that the whole issue about marijuana started to swing in the other direction. From the very beginning of her council career she made no bones about being cannabis friendly and I believe it was her attitude towards legalization that started to sway her colleagues the other way and perhaps that is why the council agreed to put the lowest priority initiative on the ballot even though there was some ? about the number of signatures on the petitions. As well as the fact that Emily has voted in favor of every piece of hemp legislation that has come through the council. Ken, you also claim falsely that Emily had nothing to do with the upgrades to the “trash station”. Ken, how can that be true when I just recently read in the Hawaii Tribune Herald that it was Emily’s decision to use funds to turn the Pahoa dump into a the most sophisticated recycling station that Hawaii island has ever had. Ken, are you saying that the newspaper is lying about that? Ken you may not like Emily but do you really have to lie to make your points. I may not agree with everything Emily does or say’s but she has done alot good things for my community. Like it or not. If Fred (also known as Papa Smurf) gets into office we’re all in trouble. Fred a conservative Republican and a very scary dude. Not only is he against hemp but he also doesn’t give a rip when it comes to trees. When Fred first moved to the Big Island he unfortunately moved next store to my friend’s ohana and preceded to illegally cut down their ancient Hala forest in order to get a better ocean view. They took him to court over it and got a $1,500 judgement. Fred then complained about it to his friend Mayor Harry Kim who reduced Fred’s fine to $500. Also since Fred is supposed to be such a good business man how come when my friend wanted to buy his property in Seaview Estates he found out there was a lien on the property for over $200,000 dollars. Maybe there is a good reason Fred’s not participating in any of the debates–perhaps he thinks that by not talking he can keep all his dirty little secrets hidden? Also if you think Emily inarticulate just wait until you hear Fred speak. First he starts to shake then he starts to sweat and then he starts to stutter. It is painful to watch.

  • Tiffany Edwards Hunt Says:

    H. Noble,

    Just a friendly reminder to not interchange pseudonyms. Or, to not go from your real name to a pseudonym if you really don’t want to stand behind your words with your real name. Not cool.



  • Buddah Belly Says:

    There is a ad hoc committee which was formed by the county council to figure out how to implement the Lowest Law Enforcement Grievance Procedure process. Domonic, Brenda, Emily and either Pete or Kelly makes it four. They welcomed 2 people from the Peaceful Sky Alliance to help with input, Wolf Braun and Jasper Moore. I am pretty sure the committee may be at a standstill, because Peaceful Sky does not want the grievance process to be handled by the police commission, since they are an ineffective organization with no rights afforded the person who makes the complaint to appeal their decision. In other words, people are afraid to complain to the police for something the police are doing…

    So, I think the hope would be to hear complaints once a month at the county council meeting, that way there will be a more public record of what is happening, and also some kind of enforcement procedure needs to be formulated to discourage the constant disregard by the police and prosecutors on this law.

  • Dave Smith Says:

    Mr. Noble, the Pahoa transfer station improvements, like those around the island, are functions of the county administration, not the County Council. I’m not sure how you can attribute that to Emily. Same with the bus routes, which have been expanded as the county has acquired new buses, mostly with federal funding.

    Although she may have had some input on those projects, it is disingenuous to credit it all to her and ignore the administration’s role.

  • konagold3 Says:

    Helene Hale not only was a cannabis friendly Hawaii County Councilwoman, but also was the delegate to the CON-CON who introduced the language for the right to privacy [now contained in the state constitution] because it copied the language from Alaska, which had been found by Alaska’s Supreme Court to protect a persons right of privacy to possess cannabis in their home [Ravin decision]

    Ms. Hale stated in the minutes of the Convention that she did not think folks should go to jail for using pot in their homes

  • H. Noble Says:

    Aloha Dave, your right according to the Tribune article Emily contributed almost a million dollars in funds to the project which had been the brain child of another department within the county. Tiff, sorry for the confusion I don’t have a computer of my very own at the moment so I have to surf on someone else’s dime so to speak but I promise to always use this handle on your blog.

  • Dave Smith Says:

    After checking the article, I see that Emily did convince the county to use $700K from the geothermal fund to build a third transfer chute. She does deserve credit for her forward-thinking in this regard.

  • H. Noble Says:

    Yes Dave, I agree it is forward thinking on Emily’s part to contribute to the recycling effort and it is her same forward thinking that has her being the first 5th district council member in a long time to contribute to the hemp liberation movement and this is why it would be so tragic to let Fred a conservative republican who hates hemp undo all the good work that has been done.
    Of course Fred’s drug of choice is sugar. I have seen him on many occasions handing out little zip-lock bags stuffed with cheap candy to innocent children. Every bag of candy he hands out has a stickers on it that reads “Fred Blas and the Hawaiian Action team” Now here is my ?. The Hawaiian Beaches Action team was incorporated with that name. It was an appropriate name because it is a team effort. So why does Fred think its important to overshadow the Action Team and put his name as big as lights when it is suppose to be a team effort. I think Fred is a master of self promotion and only he could take what was a team effort and hijack it with his own name. How lame is that? And how telling is that.
    Now some people might say ‘Fred has his name over the Hawaiian Beaches Action Team” because he paid for the privilege but there is a $200,000 plus judgement in the form of a lien on his and his wife, Betty’s Seaview property. So basically what he is doing is using the money that he legally and rightfully owes to someone else to self promote himself in Puna. Yuckkkk! Do any of us really know who Fred is? But we know who Emily is and every term her work gets better and better more and more sophisticated. It would be a grave mistake to give her up in mid stream especially for someone as demonic as Fred Blas

  • Rev. Nancy Says:

    @konagold, great and helpful post!

    @anonymous, what do you mean dope? Dope is a bastardized version of the word opium and does NOT pertain to cannabis.

    Smoking more cannabis, however, will improve your attitude, decrease your intraocular pressure and blood sugar, and reduce your risk of death from stroke or epileptic seizure.

  • Tiffany Edwards Hunt Says:

    H. Noble,

    You have got to be kidding me.

    Ask Emily not to shop at Wal-mart anymore, note her reaction, and then get back to me.

    As for your statement that she “contributes to the recycling effort” and is “the first 5th district council member in a long time to contribute to the hemp liberation movement,” complete and total horseshit.

    Give me specific examples to support your statement, because, as far as I’m concerned, having worked very closely with the woman, you are spewing forth complete and total mis-truths… Really. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about by claiming the current councilwoman is “forward thinking.”

  • Dave Smith Says:

    Mr. Noble, technically, the transfer station chute has nothing to do with recycling. Please don’t try to put words in my mouth.

  • Dave Smith Says:

    BTW, I said “Mr.” because I assumed you’re a male. Are you?

  • H. Noble Says:

    Dave, my gender is inconsequential unless you are planning on asking me out for a date.

  • Dave Smith Says:

    I’d say it matters if one is to be polite in address, but I guess that doesn’t matter to you. So be it.

    From now on you’re the “Genderless One.”

    Jeez, the lengths people go to to remain anonymous.

  • Tiff Says:

    I know, Dave, it is truly annoying, particularly when I can tell who people are as the administrator.

    It’s a bunch of chicken shit.

    I’m having a really hard time justifying this venture today. So much b.s., so little time.

  • H. Noble Says:

    Tiff, Emily is not finished yet none of us are. We’re all a work in progress. I am not say that you are a disgruntled ex-employee but sometimes it is hard to be objective about an ex-boss or an ex-husband or an ex-anything. I think that Emily allowing you to work from home because of your baby’s birth was forward thinking. I think Emily literally stopping Pete Hoffman’s oppressive building codes in their tracks was forward thinking. Pete’s ordinance scheduled to take effect May 2010 would have outlawed single wall construction, the use of screen in homes and would have forced people to insulate not only their roofs but there porches as well. Emily forced Pete thru legislation to exempt all single family dwelling from the new IECC codes and that was forward thinking to the extreme. In fact Emily’s code legislation was one of the most progressive pieces of legislation the council put forth this year and yet scarcely a word of it was mentioned on your blog. Thats what I mean about not being objective. Moreover, I don’t know if you saw this in the Tribune Herald but Australia did a study of the effects of their legislation prohibiting smoking in cars with children and found that emergency room visits for children with asthma dropped 13% this year as a result of this legislation. I know you don’t agree with it but in my humble opinion anything that lowers the asthma rates for children is forward thinking.

    (Don’t comment on my blog ever again. Making comments about me personally when you really don’t have any idea the story behind the story is not cool and not appreciated from someone who is too coward to comment under a real name. — tceh)

  • Tiffany Edwards Hunt Says:

    H Noble, whoever the eff you are, your comments are being erased because you are not welcome here. The reason, you are bringing my children into a discussion about politics. And you are off subject of this thread.

    Keep saving your comments and publish them somewhere else if that is prerogative.

    Pat yourself on the back for getting my goat, and go to hell, coward behind a pseudonym.


    Please change the commenting process. I had opted for the most liberal but comment abuse is too rampant. I wanted the strictest we can get. Make them register and confirm a valid email.

  • H. Noble Says:

    Aloha Tiff I guess it comes down to the fact that you can dish it out but you can’t take it :)

  • Tiffany Edwards Hunt Says:

    No, what it comes down to is that it’s not about me nor is it about my children. Bringing them up is manipulative, particularly using a pseudonym. Don’t call me Tiff. That is reserved for folks who I consider my friends. You definitely are not a friend.

  • Kim Jordan Says:

    Nothing noble with H. Noble. Sounds more like A Peanut!

    Tiff takes plenty of crap on HER site. Alot more than she dishes out. In fact, this year, I’ve learned alot about her views. This is because there seem to be folks who think she agrees with them, then they go off on her when they find out different. Yet she has let them get rude and crude until that point.

    Tiff, you have our e-mail, and our real names. We will be more than happy to register. Now, bringing in the fetus and family – Go give ’em a big hug and kiss (Caress to the belly) – You know what is really important in life!


  • H. Noble Says:

    Aloha All, I don’t know how many of you saw Tiffany’s post to me but she called me everything but the child of God. Tiffany was F-this and F=that and F-U is how she ended it. I was most concerned for her unborn baby or “fetus” as she calls it. I would really like to get back to the thread at hand which is supporting cannabis friendly candidates like Emily. I just gave her some truth about Emily and she went off on the most foul mouthed rant I have heard from a blog administer. I guess free speech is only reserved for Tiff and friends.

  • Tiffany Edwards Hunt Says:

    So, H. Noble, why is it that you want me to conti ue to host you on my blog when you continue to bring my unborn child and me and my personnel matters with a former employer into a political discussion that was intended to be about supporting Cannabis friendly canadidates?

    What makes you think that my unborn child should be mentioned in this setting?

    Please explain why you believe I should continue to welcome you here and not blast you with expletives. After all, you seem to be deliberately trying to hurt me by going below the belt, literally.

  • mark Says:

    To “H. Noble”…..as to your comment about Emily bringing the Hele On down to Seaview….Not True. I have been on the Board of Directors here for almost 8 years and the Hele-On was started on the Red Road after the Board, about 5 years ago, began talks with Tom Brown, Director of Mass Transit. We had no discussions with Emily on mass transit, only Tom Brown. Tom has continued to expand routes down here and at our most recent Annual Meeting he assured residents that there would be an early morning pick-up to ensure lower Puna could get to Hilo by 7:30 a.m. What we would like to see from Emily is a biking/walking trail along the Red Road from Kehena Beach to Kalani…now that would be progress for us….

  • damon Says:

    Wow “H Noble” –

    How Noble are you really?

    Folks would be much more credible w/ real identities.

    So what if you are afraid someone won’t like what you post?

    If you are afraid of what someone might think about your post… then maybe you just might want to think about keeping it to yourself.

  • konagold3 Says:

    having had my share of ad hominem attacks in several years of locally blogging I can attest that ad hominem attacks are always poor form for winning a debate or simply HAVING a discussion

    such tactics employ ridicule and are difficult to defend one can only acknowledge the poor form of the attack and then with as much civility as one can muster return to and stick to the topic or facts altho a zinger or two is understandable

    Tiffany has always been fair to me and seems to have been more than reasonable up to the point of an ad hominem including her family at which point she justifiably says off limits

    attack thoughts not thinkers; please!!!

    @Rev. Nancy

    the right to privacy was diminished with regard to cannabis by the Hawaii State Supreme Court decision in the Lloyd Mallan [a perennial Libertarian candidate for a variety of public offices]

    Lloyd was arrested for smoking a joint in his car in the parking lot for the Honolulu zoo he claimed that the arrest violated his right of privacy

    although the court noted the Constitutional Conventions minutes they accented delegate Wahee’s[former Gov.] comments that the language would not ‘allow the production of pot’ and they completely ignored the sponsor of the amendment Helene Hale’s stated intent of people not going to jail for simply having pot in their home

    the sole dissent to this opinion is over one hundred pages and reads like a pro pot manifesto

    the court did however allow that the privacy right might apply to Mallan if he had been actually in his home rather than in his ‘license plated car’ in a public parking lot observable through the windows thus he had no expectation of privacy

    I believe that the lowest order of priority ordinance in conjunction with the right to privacy should be inhibitory to any state or local authority from violating privacy rights in the home

    this should not be construed as allowing the commercial use of a residence to thwart cannabis laws forbidding sales

  • thatduderj Says:

    Tiff, ask Bruce to look into installing the mobile viewing plugin. It will clean up the appearance of BIC for mobile users. Like iPhone and Droid will have a much cleaner view of the site.

    Also, I don’t think people who break the law should be crying Argentina about having to face consequences. I also support the decriminalization of pot. But really, with a plantation in ones backyard of a schedule one substance, don’t be surprised if the feds come a knocking.

  • Thomas Says:

    For those that do not here or understand us when say we are working with many others at the federal level to get marijuana rescheduled. I repeat we are. Giving people more time in jail for a marijuana crime than murder, rape ect. what some here are advocating, because that is what often happens. We are seeing that change slowly, because of the efforts of pro cannabis groups that we are seeing that.

    Repeating over and over people are growing a schedule one drug should be tempered with common sense. The federal scheduling declares a schedule one drug has no accepted medical use in the United States. Most if not all know that is not true. Talk is cheap and I believe the schedule one claim is a cheap shot, when those same people that claim to support decriminalization.

    Where are people suppose to get it if it is decriminalized? Some will grow their own most will not. Someone will have to grow it. Regulation is better than decriminalization. That is what we are working on. Its dangerous or its not. Most know its less dangerous than many things we can buy at any store. If you do not know that, i will tell you again it is less dangerous than hundreds of things anyone can buy legally right now.

    If it is not clear to any one let me say again we are working at the state level to to change the laws particularly to provide medical marijuana to patients.

    Some say its not a council issue, I do not agree with that. We are working at the council level on many aspects because it is where we live. Hawaii county is the easiest place for those of us that live here to effect changes. We are seeing movement across the country on this issue and most of that started with counties like Hawaii county doing the very things we are doing.

    The county has restricted green harvest funding and forced the feds and state to reroute funding. That makes it harder for them and when the state joins us this will end. The feds do not have the man power or will to do massive green harvest with out the state and counties helping.

    We see this with the county police again helping the eradication missions. In doing so they are subverting the will of the voters and the council. If the feds could do it with out the county they would. They can not maintain a sustained effort on the scale they do with out county support.

    We believe they are violating the law, the mandates, as well as their public statements over the past couple of years claiming they were not participating.

    We believe county police besides working against the will of the voters and the intentions of the county council are opening us up to liability.

    There is going to be a lawsuit over this, I can not say when but we will have to pay for it win or lose. The council could and should work with the mayor and the police chief to bring them into compliance.

    That process has been started but is stalled. We need a representative that will help restart that process.

    The council needs to work with the mayor. the prosecutor, and the police chief to get the county to stop prosecuting people for possession of marijuana and comply with LLEO.

    Most importantly the county must stop prosecuting patients here for transporting their medicine. The county is right now prosecuting numerous patients for as little as 1 gram of marijuana. They were not using it in public. They were taking in most cases through the airport or home after buying it on the black market. Many do not or can not grow their own. Its medicine if you travel your health problems come with you and is outrageous for the county to persecute people in wheel chairs or with other disabilities and ailments for taking their legal medicines from point a to point b.

    Finally the county is prosecuting hundreds of people for personal possession in violation of the LLEO.

    I hope that helps people understand our sincere belief that the county council does have a crucial role in the process needed to reform the marijuana laws.

    We made or endorsements last night and I will be posting them as soon as I have time to work on the press release.

  • Thomas Says:

    Sorry for all the typos. I was in a rush and didn’t have time to proof read. That one was worse than usual. Sorry again.

  • konagold3 Says:

    “I hope that helps people understand our sincere belief that the county council does have a crucial role in the process needed to reform the marijuana laws.”

    having testified at the county council since 1992 against eradication and for the regulations to investigate medical and religious use of cannabis I wholeheartedly agree that the council is an important forum to air these issues

    that said, when pro-pot wins, such as the L.O.P. ordinance, or med pot, which is legislature enacted LAW, the kops, who oppose ANY cannabis reform, ignore the law

    until change happens at a higher level than local politics allows, that is at the state, as well as inevitably the Feds, local politicians will fail in a three way tug of war between: the kops, the voters, and the State/Fed alliance

    the importance of prop 19 [flawed tho it maybe] is that the voters have, at last, a chance to create a new paradigm which other states will inevitably follow

    the new legislative session follows shortly after the general election Nov. 2; there is a short window of opportunity to introduce new bills

    Ambercrombie seems likely to be Gov., a real change from the last 8 years of republican veto power over even improvements to the state med pot system

    if prop 19 succeeds [which the latest Field Poll puts ahead 49 to 42 percent] what thought has Friends for Justice given to state legislative bills for taxing and regulating cannabis in Hawaii [is this an important opportunity to improve on the perceived flaws in the CA initiative]??

    what are current elements and features of such potential legislation given Hawaii’s prior leadership with the first legislatively approved Medicinal Cannabis laws??

  • Truth Sojourner Says:

    For those of you still reading this thread, please remember to vote for Cannabis-friendly candidates!

  • Michael Hale Says:

    I will self Promote:
    I am supported by Roger C and I support him.
    At the Aloha Uprising Event I thought I confirmed that Friends for Justice endorsed me officially.
    Let me know if I am waiting for a more official endorsement.
    I do believe we have many pressing issues and freedom from oppressive fear based laws is one of them.
    Prohibition doesn’t work! People are dying.
    Education and treatment are proven to work.

  • Thomas Says:

    We will be working with a number of groups on legislation at the state level this year.

    We have not worked out and written any bills yet but did discuss it last night.

    We also went to the seminar in Kona last week end and heard from Brian Murphy from Patients With Out Time.

    He has been working on legislation for some time.

    We do not necessarily agree with some of Brian’s ideas so we will be drafting some of our own, incorporating what we like and adjusting what we may not agree with. We are open to positive input as we formulate our ideas, with the goal of not only passing some much needed reform for medical MJ patients but with putting forth the best bill possible not something that is vague or hard to impediment.

    Ed Rosenthal had another position that was do not wait for the legislature, use a state wide initiative.

    We have not had time to look at that possibility yet.

    As I remember it probably would cost more than we alone have right now.

    Drug Policy Alliance is also working on bills, we have not seen them yet and are not sure if they will be sharing those ahead of submitting them.

  • Thomas Says:

    I am working on the endorsements they are not ready, and I have to go back to work. I will get it out as soon as I can

    Micheal Hale is correct and he will be getting our endorsement for his public support of cannabis reform. He also came to a Friends for Justice Meeting and took the tough questions on cannabis. We appreciate his openness and initiative.

    I must note to be fair Russel Kokubon is also somewhat cannabis friendly but does not seem willing to speak publicly about it. He did not address our group or answer our questions publicly. That weighed in our decision to endorse Micheal Hale. We want openness and responsiveness. I have to go now.

    Good luck Micheal.

    I will do the formal endorsements and press release as soon as I can.

  • Truth Sojourner Says:

    Mike Hale for Senator! In the tradition of Governor Gary Johnson of New Mexico, he’s an honest Republican who sees that the drug war is failed policy.

  • konagold3 Says:

    “He has been working on legislation for some time.

    We do not necessarily agree with some of Brian’s ideas so we will be drafting some of our own,”

    for many years Murphy’s plan has been based on a farmer allotment system similar to tobacco allotment systems in the Southern states

    however anyone should be able to grow not just alloted farmers

    the value of the allotment system is to limit large corporations from being able to corner the market but it also does not allow the individual freedom which cannabis prohibition has robbed

    laws should be drafted which allow the greatest degree of individual freedom yet regulate sales to generate taxes and prevent underage consumption

    “Ed Rosenthal had another position that was do not wait for the legislature, use a state wide initiative.”

    one of the reasons I chose not to attend is Rosenthal’s shear depth of ignorance


    which folks from the mainland do not seem to understand or are stuck on a fixed method of problem solution even when that is not possible due to differing state laws

  • Thomas Says:

    We have not had time to look at that possibility yet.


  • konagold3 Says:

    “Drug Policy Alliance is also working on bills”

    Pam Lichty is out of town for a couple of months

    some one should take the language for prop 19 and addapt it to Hawaii:

    including language rejecting cannabis laws as racist sexist Jim Crow laws which have proven to be racially discriminatory in Hawaii

    further rejecting cannabis prohibition as unenforceable due to US constitutional grounds as usurping 1st, 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, 13th,and 14th amendment rights and state constitution rights of privacy and “life, liberty and the “ENJOYMENT” of happiness”

    eliminate any state criminal law or scheduling for cannabis

    providing state acquisition and distribution protocols rather than leaving it up to the counties

    allowing small farmers to have a state authorized agency purchase and distribute establish a reasonable sized grow area [prop 19’s 25 sq feet seems too small]

    protecting Med pot rights to grow ones medicine

    establish tax rates

    establish card ID requirements for retailers

    earmark some of the taxes gained to treat alcoholism and the rest to fund the schools

  • Thomas Says:

    I hit submit by accident the post should have read………

    “Ed Rosenthal had another position that was do not wait for the legislature, use a state wide initiative.”

    We had not had time to look at that possibility yet.

    Kona Gold informed us that


    Assuming Kona Gold is right I didn’t know that. I have way to much to do right now to get side tracked. We will stick with our legislative efforts that are just starting for the upcoming session.

    Everyone is free do try to get bills introduced as we will be doing, or help us, a coalition may be even better if we can agree on what we want. We will post updates and take comments on the FFJ website.

    This add is more about getting candidates that will support that legislation passed when it is submitted.
    Its been a long day. Sorry I didn’t get the endorsements out yet.

  • konagold3 Says:


    perhaps the State department of agriculture should be the agency to acquire and distribute Cannabis

    if a bill were crafted to tax and regulate cannabis it should also guide the development of a hemp fiber and seed industry specification that only medicinal quality seed strains be grown preventing a lowering of the quality of medicine via rope only strains of cannabis pollen lowering the quality of medicine

    if a kuleana farmer was allowed a 1077 sq foot grow area [100 sq meters], plus 100 sq feet cloning area, and the price to sell to the state were fixed at fifteen dollars an ounce, and at this latitude there are at least 3 harvest per year, then a small farmer could grow as much as 300 pounds per year earning 72,000 per year gross

    the state could double its money by wholesaling the cannabis with a fifteen dollar an ounce sales tax or $30 per ounce to the retailer the consumer would pay $60 per ounce

    if total free market conditions were allowed perhaps a 1000 acre limit to any one farmer or farm corp. then a wholesale price of two dollars a pound [one tenth the above] could provide a 19.2 million dollar gross from 1000 acres of land allowing agriculture to compete with golf courses and hotels to sustain our island economy

  • konagold3 Says:

    if only one out of ten folks in Hawaii consume cannabis monthly and they consume a half ounce per month then Hawaii’s population’s current consumption is around 55,000 ounces per month [it could be triple this amount and this of course does not count export potential]

    at $15 tax per ounce that is $825000 per month taxes the state is missing out on almost $10,000,000 per year

    at 50k a year per teacher that’s 200 teachers

  • konagold3 Says:


    “Schwarzenegger: “the courts cannot afford to expend limited resources prosecuting a crime that carries the same punishment as a traffic ticket.”


    Schwarzenegger signs bill decriminalizing marijuana despite opposing prop 19


    California Governor Signs Marijuana Decriminalization Bill


  • Truth Sojourner Says:

    Well, maybe the governator is smarter than we thought!

  • konagold3 Says:


    isn’t this a wonderful move for the criminal justice system??

    100 buck an ounce tax ..er.. fine with out all the pesky lawyering and jury stuff

    this still does not tax or regulate sales thus the black-market is perpetuated

    is it perhaps a cynical move to take the wind out of prop 19 sails given the recent positive lead in the polls??

    Government motto: be berry berry afwaid of pop 19

  • Thomas Says:

    We did our best to contact all the candidates before making our recommendations. Some races had more than one cannabis friendly candidate. Unless noted her we did not endorse one over the other.

    Here is our list of cannabis friendly candidates

    We are endorsing Neil Abercrombie for governor.

    He is on record as supporting reform of the medical marijuana laws to provide access to cannabis for patients. His opponent is opposed to reform of the cannabis laws.

    There are 2 cannabis friendly candidates, in the Lt governors race…

    Brian Schatz and Deborah Jo Spence.

    They both support reform of the cannabis laws.

    State Senator District 2:

    We are endorsing Micheal Hale…..He is very adamant in wanting to reform cannabis laws in Hawaii. He also came to friends for Justice meetings twice and attended several other pro cannabis events in Hawaii county while openly campaigning for reform of the laws.

    His opponent Russell Kokobun has been some what cannabis friendly but has been in office for some time he voted for but failed to pass any reforms. He also did not come talk to us or publicly support reform of the laws in any meaningful way. We endorsing Mike Hale over Russel Kokobun.

    State Representative District 1: There are no Cannabis Friendly candidates

    State Representative District 2: Again there are no Cannabis Friendly candidates

    State Representative District 3: There are no Cannabis Friendly candidates

    State Representative District 4:

    We are endorsing Faye Hanohano. We would like her to be more accessible and publicly support reforms. However we note.

    Faye has voted for reform of the medical laws and does work with some of the reformers.

    State Representative District 5:

    Again there were 2 cannabis friendly candidates in this race, Bob Herkes and Fred Fogel. Neither talked with us directly we are not endorsing one over the other

    State Representative District 6:

    We are endorsing Denny Coffman as our cannabis friendly candidate in this race.

    State Representative District 7:

    There are no cannabis friendly candidates in this race

    Councilmember District 1: Dominic Yagong already won.

    We hope we can work with him he voted to put LLEO on the ballot and supported the ad hoc committee on how to implement the Lowest Law Enforcement Grievance Procedure

    Councilmember District 2: No Cannabis Friendly candidate

    Nothing good to say here no comment.

    Councilmember District 3: No Cannabis Friendly candidate

    Nothing good to say here no comment.

    Councilmember District 4: No Cannabis Friendly candidate

    Nothing good to say here no comment.

    Councilmember District 5:

    Friends for Justice is endorsing Emily Naeole.

    She has voted in favor of every piece of cannabis reform legislation that has come before the council.

    She has attended and spoken at pro reform events. Emily has personally supported families that have been abused by the county during police raids and she has written letters to the judge in support of these families.

    Her opponent opposes reforms has stated publicly he believes marijuana is a gate way drug and we believe he will continue to vote to waste resources on the war on cannabis being waged in Hawaii county.

    He did not participate in the three forums for the race already held and declined an invitation from us to host a fourth forum so the voters could talk to him.

    Please vote for Emily….Our position on this one is give us jobs not jails……

    Councilmember District 6:

    We are endorsing Brittany Smart she came out in public in favor of reform of the cannabis laws and came to a Friends for Justice meeting. She answered our questions and we believe we can work with her on the council.

    Her opponent has refused to talk with us. His position is very anti cannabis reform in fact he would not only like to see harsher laws and county green harvest missions. He has said several times he would like to see Alcohol made illegal again.

    Its clear he does not understand the history of alcohol prohibition and will never consider any legislation that would regulate cannabis.

    Vote Smart in this race Brittany Smart.

    Councilmember District 7:

    Brenda Ford has already won her race. She voted to put the LLEO on the ballot. She has personal reservations about cannabis but will support the will of the people and will not stand in the way of reforms.

    Councilmember District 8:

    Angel Pilago has already won his race and believe he will be cannabis friendly while on the council.

    Councilmember District 9:

    Pete Hoffmann has already won his race, we see him as reasonable but not cannabis friendly.

    U.S. House of Representative District 2:

    We can not endorse a candidate in this race.

    Maizie Hirono supports medical marijuana, but we do not know if she will support medical reform.

    The republican John Willoughby replied to us before the primary that he does not care one way or the other on the issue.

    We hope this will help you when choosing your candidates.

    A breakdown of the voter turnout, shows only 39% of registered voters voted in primary. What will it take to get YOU to vote in the November election???

    Friends for Justice is asking every one of you to register at least one person to vote and then try to get as many people as you can to the poles.

    Thank you all. lets hope for an end to this war on us your neighbors, in the near future. We can do this but we need you to vote.

    Its already happening across the nation, we should be leading the way not stuck in the failures of the past.

    As Kona Gold points out here

    “Schwarzenegger: “the courts cannot afford to expend limited resources prosecuting a crime that carries the same punishment as a traffic ticket.”

    The same applies to Hawaii county. Yet they arrest every one even medical patients and prosecute them for as little as 1 gram. The voters already said we do not want our resources squandered like that, with LLEO.

    It is an economic issue and a social issue if a candidate can not understand that, stand for reform and show respect for us the voters and the ordnance we passed. Please do not give them your vote. Vote for common sense vote cannabis friendly.

    Its your money that pays for this war, lets spend it on schools, roads, parks, anything would be better than throwing it away.

    Thank you.

  • konagold3 Says:

    contribute 15 bucks to the prop 19 campaign and get a bitchin “special “End Cannabis Prohibition” bumper sticker; if you give $50 or more, we’ll send you a t-shirt”

    “End Cannabis Prohibition” is as viable a concept in Hawaii as anywhere

    get yours today [grin]


  • Tiffany Edwards Hunt Says:

    Thanks, I may just do that.

  • konagold3 Says:

    I did

    feels good [wink]

    given that this is a comment on their ad, if Friends for Justice printed up JUST “End Cannabis Prohibition” bumper stickers with a Hawaii Island outline and their web address I’d give em a couple of sawbucks fer dat [if paypal–for that matter sell em on eBay whydon’tcha]

  • Thomas Says:

    We have the Freedom Fest t shirts, beanies and hats at Jungle Love in Pahoa, and we sell them at the other events were we have our table. We are working on a paypal button for our website also.

    We will be talking about it again soon, I like the bumper sticker idea, we have talked about it. We are working on some new literature right now for hand outs. Thanks for the support………

    We will be in court this week three times here is the e-mail we sent out to members on our list. If anyone wants to join us please come.


    Aloha everyone, here are the upcoming court dates this week for Friends For Justice members:

    Aaron – Monday Oct. 4, at 1:30pm on the 2nd floor of Hilo Court House.

    Devaki and Greywolf- Wednesday, Oct. 6 at 8:30pm in Judge Nakamura’s courtroom on the 3rd floor in Hilo. We will be holding our weekly FFJ meeting after court is over instead of at 4:20 at Dave’s house this Wednesday.

    Nancy- Thursday Oct. 7, at 4pm in Hara’s Courtroom on the 3rd floor in Hilo.

    Please do come if you can, its important that we support each other through these injustices and show the court that we are uniting to correct them.
    Hope to see you there,

    If anyone wants to get on our e-mail list contact us and we will add you.

    We also would like to be more active in Kona we will be there in December for the medical patient who was arrested for one gram. If anyone has a marijuana case and would like support let us know and we will put it on our list.

    Again the we can all do something about this, get involved. Voting cannabis friendly will help us a great deal over the next 2 years, tell your friends and family and make sure they get to the polls.

  • Thomas Says:

    CORRECTION to the last post…….this one is at 8:30 am not 8:30pm.

    Devaki and Greywolf- Wednesday, Oct. 6 at 8:30am in Judge Nakamura’s courtroom on the 3rd floor in Hilo. We will be holding our weekly FFJ meeting after court is over instead of at 4:20 at Dave’s house this Wednesday.

  • damon Says:

    Can I ask how many members there are in FFJ?

  • Thomas Says:

    We have grown to roughly 60 active members.

  • konagold3 Says:

    very helpful article in the Denver post
    says: 71,000 pot users in Hawaii
    8,067 med pot patients registered

    that means 24,000 LEGAL ounces may be in the possession of patients at any one time in the state

    so there is a need for 1500 lbs to be distributed to patients at any one time and no means to do so


  • Rob Tucker Says:

    This is interesting….

    By John Hoeffel, Los Angeles Times

    September 22, 2010

    The state council of the Service Employees International Union, the largest labor union in California, has endorsed Proposition 19, the initiative on the November ballot that seeks to legalize marijuana.

    The endorsement, announced Tuesday, could boost the campaign, which has not been able to raise enough money for television advertisements and is relying on grass-roots outreach.

    The SEIU, which says it has more than 700,000 members in California, is a significant political force in state politics, although it is not clear how much money or muscle it will put toward passage of the measure.

  • Rob Tucker Says:

    My point in the post above is that Prop. 19 is the place to put your shoulders to the wheel. A donation to Prop. 19 right now could be much more valuable to your cause than blogging on the Big Island.

    No offense to blogging here. But Cal is where the rubber meets the road at this point in time.

  • Tiffany Edwards Hunt Says:

    I agree, Rob.

    If California legalizes marijuana, Hawaii will too. For some reason, Hawaii lawmakers aren’t willing to be pioneers. They leave it to states like California to pave the way. I’m impressed that California has reached this point. I’m particularly impressed that this is happening with a Republican governator (sorry, that was too funny of a typo to correct) at the helm.

    What that shows is that the decriminalization of marijuana, or Cannabis, to be politically correct, is and should be a non Partisan issue.

    I firmly believe that the decriminalization of marijuana and the taxation of it will do wonders for American society.

    I think, if conservatives want to wage a war on drugs, they should focus on the pharmaceutical companies. Marijuana is so benign.

    I personally love the smell and would much prefer to pass someone on the street, smoking a joint rather than a cigarette. As a reformed smoker, I really can’t stand the smell. Being pregnant, I actually get close to puking when I actually smell a cigarette. That to me is a testament to the toxicity…

  • konagold3 Says:

    well if ya’ll get a bumper sticker be sure to wear it on yer car now; me,I’m puttin’ mine on my brief case along with my elect Peron Gov sticker from ’98 in Calif when I visited there and my “drug abuse is bad –the drug war is worse” sticker I got from DPF-HI prof Don Topping along with the “thank you for pot smoking” notice

  • Thomas Says:

    Of course we are supporting Prop 19 and I agree that should it win. Hawaii will follow suit.

    It looks like there is a good chance of that happening. To be realistic there is a lot of corporate and law enforcement muscle that wants to stop that. We have seen in the past what is right does not always happen, when it comes to cannabis law.

    I agree send money if you can to support prop 19. I can not agree that what happens to the people in Hawaii county in the mean time should not be our focus and priority here.

    What do we tell those families in court next week and the week after that and the week after that? You have to go to jail while we wait for someone else to save you? You have to give your house, money and car, to Hawaii because we are waiting for California to change the law?

    The change everywhere started as a grass roots campaign. We are seeing the effects of The activist that have fought here in Hawaii county for more than 20 years. They are why the council rejected the green harvest funds and they are why the voters here passed the Lowest Law Enforcement Ordnance for Cannabis in Hawaii county. Many paid dearly for that and have been ridiculed to no end by some who now want to be our representative on the council.

    I am sorry I am looking at what you guys, (and girls) are saying and agree with most of it, except that Hawaii county is the one prosecuting us, not the state, the feds, and not California. Hawaii county is the one taking our homes and locking us up.

    We need leadership, that will do the right thing for us economically and socially.

    Our representatives must listen to us, that means they must support reform of cannabis policy in Hawaii county.

    Hawaii counties war on even the smallest amount of cannabis, must stop. The devastation to even one more family is unacceptable to me.

    I can not support anyone who would vote to continue to do us such harm, for no good reason.

    A real leader would see that and do the right thing.

    The fight is at the county, state, and federal level.

    The largest part of Hawaii counties budget is public safety. It is unforgivable that millions of dollars of that money is wasted destroying some the hardest working people I know, when most agree it does more harm than good. A lot of children and adults in Puna do not trust the police. Most of that is a direct result of marijuana policy.

    I remember when we all got along, before the war, when there was a bad guy we helped the police. Now we are the enemy, we need to work together again.

    A real leader would see that is the best thing for us and help. How can we support someone that wants to put us and our families in jail for marijuana crimes, and take our homes and cars? Of course we can not support that, to ask us to is ridicules.

  • konagold3 Says:

    “We also would like to be more active in Kona we will be there in December for the medical patient who was arrested for one gram”

    who dat

    got a link??

    I got a suggestion for any defendant charged with possession only

    move in a pretrial motion that the charges be dismissed on the grounds that the prosecution can not benefit from the fruit of the poison tree

    that is that Cannabis prohibition is racist and sexist in that the “M” word is Mexican military slang implying it takes two women Mary and Jane to satisfy cannabis induced lust, thus both racist and sexist in one word; that given the relative revelations of the recent NAACP position on prop 19 that these Jim Crow laws are used to disproportionately target minorities and therefore can not be enforced

    that these unjust cannabis prohibition laws also violate the 1st, 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, 13th and 14th amendment rights guaranteed individuals constitutionally

    in particular the 13th amendment put an end to slavery and indentured servitude; when the government denies an individual the right and power to own and use a plant, then the government has declared ownership over the mind and body of any individual who wishes to use this God given plant, and has made them slaves to obey the government thus an unenforceable law as inalienable rights can not be taken only surrendered [however the government does have a right to tax and regulate SALES but not ownership or usage]

    when the Volstead act was passed prohibiting alcohol it set procedural precedent by the passage of a U.S. Constitutional amendment

    that there is no similar amendment prohibiting pot is proof positive of the violation of 14th amendment rights of DUE PROCESS and EQUAL PROTECTION

  • Thomas Says:

    I would have to talk with the Kona patient, I do not believe he wants his name made public by us. He is understandably scared. When he refused to take the deal the judge looked right at him and said what is his defense? Medical Marijuana? Then said he would not allow any other plea bargains and set trial for 12/22/10.

    The judge said something to the effect that he was transporting it so medical use would not be a defense.

    The interesting part was when I read the court documents it only said he was charged with promotion of a detrimental drug, a schedule V drug.

    It did not say anywhere that it was only 1 gram.

    The judge was not familiar with the case as they all expected him to plead guilty so he has no idea this is about 1 gram.

    He has a public defender and no money so his options are limited and he is scared.

    When I mentioned he may lose but if he did I thought he would have a good chance on appeal he was worried about the cost.

    What we really need is someone who can help him with a good attorney that is willing to go all the way.

    I believe its a good case that would set a good precedent if he wins.

    I do not see his public defender making the arguments you outlined, however I will forward the information.

    The fact is this case should not even be happening and is a perfect example of why the we need change at the county level as that is who is bringing the case, and we (tax payers) are paying for the whole mess.

    I believe this case and hundreds of other small cases are brought to boost the numbers so the police and prosecutors can fatten their budgets through the byrn federal grant program.

    While they get a little more money for their individual budgets for every bust, we the tax payers get soaked for millions in cort cost and incarceration, probation, drug testing and on and on.

    Its a perfect example of the self serving interest in those county agencies that are bleeding us dry and why the public safety budget is what? Abut 60% of our total county budget.

    Oh and it was off limits no cuts allowed. What a destructive self serving scam these people have been running on us for years now. Its time to put an end to it, if not for the morale aspects for the economic ones. We can not afford this kind of corruption.

    They are destroying this guy to boost their budget, nothing more. Who is the real criminal in this case?

  • Thomas Says:


    The time for Aaron’s court appearance is Monday Oct. 4, at 1:00pm not 1:30pm on the 2nd floor of Hilo Court House.

    Sorry for the mix up. If you want to come FFJ will be meeting in front of the court room on the second floor about 12:50pm.

  • konagold3 Says:

    “When I mentioned he may lose but if he did I thought he would have a good chance on appeal he was worried about the cost.

    What we really need is someone who can help him with a good attorney that is willing to go all the way.”

    try Robert Kim Esq.

  • konagold3 Says:


    cant live with em

    cant live without em

    I have a good friend who represented me during my religious use defense

    and tho Jack is a competent civil rights attorney whose heart and practices are in the right place he is constrained by the same factors that all attorneys are in regard to Cannabis laws


    and the fact that to keep the status quo is a bonanza for trial attorneys who ask $5000 retainers and $400 per hour; a tremendous inertia within the legal profession; an attorney must ask themselves if they want to, or can, kill the golden goose

    Public Defenders are often overwhelmed by case load and in general are plea masters rubber-stamping their way through docket after docket

    this is the cliff that Friends for Justice must climb that Justice is too costly

    remember you are in courts of law, not courts of justice, and lawyers have a huge vested interest in perpetuating the status quo

    if 800,000 are arrested each year and 80% [640,000] pay $5000 to defend that is a potential of 3.2 Billion a year to trial attorneys just for possession defenses

    are you gathering attorneys who are willing to do these kinds of cases pro bono??

    do you have a funds devoted to defending those stuck with Public Pretenders??

  • Thomas Says:

    Midnight is the deadline to order your shirts and bumper stickers for prop 19.

    I just ordered my shirt.

  • Thomas Says:


    I agree, and we have seen the same problems you mention.

    We have not found any lawyers yet that that will work pro bono, although some do help us here and there.

    We have not put together a legal defense fund but have talked about it. If any one is interested in helping do that through Friends for Justice please contact us.

    The Kona case IMO is the strongest I have seen in the last three years.

    A legal patient with a minute amount of medicine going from Kona to Honolulu.

    The law as we read it should protect that, judges are consistently ruling against it though. It need to go up on appeal and this is a good case to do that. Again if anyone wants to help with that let us know.

    Thank you.

    When a patient travels his or her health problems go with him, it is absurd that the county of Hawaii is prosecuting this man, for taking the smallest amount of medication possible, to use while on Oahu.

  • konagold3 Says:


    400 possession arrest big island

    if half paid for an attorney @ $5000

    that is $1,000,000

    in 2008 all mac nuts in Hawaii $24 million gross

    how far would $1,000,000 go to ending cannabis prohibition in Hawaii in crafting and lobbying for new legislation??

  • konagold3 Says:

    “A legal patient with a minute amount of medicine going from Kona to Honolulu.

    The law as we read it should protect that, judges are consistently ruling against it though. It need to go up on appeal and this is a good case to do that. Again if anyone wants to help with that let us know.”

    have you contacted the ACLU; also try Mike Glenn, or Jack Schweighert both in Honolulu; Mike has a blue card

  • konagold3 Says:

    “Then said he would not allow any other plea bargains and set trial for 12/22/10.”

    if he hires a new attorney he can get a postponement of the jury trial or if he is intelligent enough and willing to work HARD at it enough to pull it off he could represent himself and go pro se [ perhaps FFJ could get greater bang from the legal resources it has available by seeking an attorney who will help pro se clients with ‘boiler-plate motions and forms to A. saturate the legal system; and B. allow reasonable self representation ]

    pre trial he could move for a stipulation as to both his medicinal need [hopefully he is some one with a more serious and well documented medical history] and that he is a registered patient

    also move that the case be dismissed in violation of his state rights of privacy [Article I section 6 State Constitution


    hint: there can be no ‘compelling state interest’ in a state with legislatively enacted med pot]

    and his state right to the “enjoyment of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” [Article I section 2] does that not imply a right to enjoy the benefits of medicinal pot??

    what is his possible/likely sentence??

    didn’t Whitney Huston get a $250 dollar fine for a couple of ounces at the same airport??

  • konagold3 Says:

    that is Jack Schweigert [sorry Jack] not Schweighert

  • konagold3 Says:

    “set trial for 12/22/10.”

    timing wise I had the same thing happen to me

    believe me you do not want a Jury deliberating on Christmas eve or near to it

    which Judge??

  • Thomas Says:


    We did talk to ACLU they said they are more interested in a class action than individual cases. We are working with them on a helicopter suit. That one is ready to go they are looking for more plaintiffs.

    For the medical patients it probably is the same thing. We need to get all the patients together and file one case. The problem again is the attorney’s tell the patients not to talk to each other.

    I have Michael Glen’s number but have not talked with him yet. Jack Schweighert came down for one case and I thought he did a pretty good job, but in the end it may have come down to money. He ended up telling the patient to take the deal and when he refused Jack quit. The patient had run out of money by that time.

    That case is still going after 3 years. No telling how much that one has cost county taxpayers already but its a lot.

    Back to the Kona case the patient probably is not familiar enough with the procedures to go pro se. I am not certain but I do not think he is allowed a jury trial because the charge is nor serious enough, but do not quote me on that I will have to check.

    I will tell him he can ask for the stipulation, he is a documented patient and has been for a while. Again I think the judges position is it does not matter because he was transporting the cannabis.

    I do not know what his medical problem is exactly but it is documented, if I understood him right.

    We do have some help with boiler plate motions but are reluctant to make recommendations to people.

    Again there is no jury, I think the judge is Joseph P. Florendo, Jr. Kona district court.

  • konagold3 Says:

    “I am not certain but I do not think he is allowed a jury trial because the charge is nor serious enough, but do not quote me on that I will have to check.”

    it has to be a misdemeanor or more sever to get a jury trial

    if the judge has indicated that he will not hear a medical necessity defense and categorized it as a “transportation” issue he has indicated prejudice and could be asked to remove himself or if it proceeds the patient/defendant can on appeal complain of judicial error and try to be retried

  • Thomas Says:

    I agree, but doubt he will. I also think he will make a poor ruling, and that is another reason this case would be a good one to take upstairs.

    I will be talking to the patient when I get a little more time.

    I suggest you leave your ph number on the FFJ phone line listed on our add.

    I will contact you and we can talk about this on the phone.

  • Thomas Says:

    For those that still do not believe that the war on cannabis is not their problem I hope they will look at this.

    Military-Style Marijuana Raid At School.
    Tuesday, Oct. 5 2010

    National Guard helicopters were used in the armed raid on the school, which teaches 11- to 14-year-old students. Only tomato plants were found.


    ​Your tax dollars at work terrorizing children.

    Are the police so lazy they could not even walk in and look to see if there was marijuana or was there another agenda at work?

    Why would anyone respect this assault on our children?

    What did you teach these kids? Be afraid of the police, be afraid of the government, you have no rights, and mostly you are all the enemy.

    IMO this is the fault of all those who keep pushing this failed war.

    You are teaching these children to have no respect for the law.

    Vote cannabis friendly, help us put a stop to this once and for all.

    Thank you.

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  • konagold3 Says:

    “Federal Court Rules U.S. Government May Not Deliberately Subvert California’s Medical Marijuana Laws ”


    as this is a us 9th circuit ruling it applies to Hawaii and perhaps could be used to thwart eradication as one can not differentiate medicine from contraband from the air and with warrant-less searches they have no way of protecting medical rights as they do not know who or what they are eradicating

  • konagold3 Says:

    “I also think he will make a poor ruling, and that is another reason this case would be a good one to take upstairs.”

    an important lawyer-ing task is to create the record for appeal

    unless the Public Defender is on board or the patient represents himself or gets pro bono help then the chances for appeal are diminished if the facts on which one is appealing are entered into the trial one can not enter them later

  • konagold3 Says:

    if the facts on which one is appealing are NOT entered into the trial one can not enter them later

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