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	<title>Comments on: Guest Column &#8212; Hilo Doctor Autopsies Still Living, Bleeding To Death Patient</title>
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		<title>By: keone yamada</title>
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		<dc:creator>keone yamada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Dr. G had to take Ricketson to court to get him to leave the island. EProbably expensive but necessary.</description>
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		<title>By: Kaena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article.  I notice, however, that there was a name missing from the list of docs that Dr. Gutteling brought in that have &quot;fled&quot;.  Ricketson.  Wasn&#039;t THAT one a big OOPS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.  I notice, however, that there was a name missing from the list of docs that Dr. Gutteling brought in that have &#8220;fled&#8221;.  Ricketson.  Wasn&#8217;t THAT one a big OOPS.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this country became a government owned and operated entity under LBJ,  vice  the citizen owned country it was created to be. It has been all down hill.  Believe it or no there was time when it was considered shameful to have the government help you.  Now citizens have been sytematically conditioned to believe the government owes them everything.  Would you ask  your neighbor for half his pay to subsidise your children who won&#039;t work or have wrecked their lives with drugs?  NO! Yet that is exactly what welfare and healthcare are. By and large the productive carry the unproductive on their back. No one wants the widows and orphans out in the cold. Believe it or not in the 1960&quot;s most Democrats believed this also. Then a brand of socialist vs. socially concerned politicians entered both parties.  Actually they wer built in the 1930&#039;s and 1940&#039;s, It just iook until the 1960&#039;s for them to obtain positions of authority in politics and Academia. Socialist Democrats and Rockefeller Republicans.  Rich people who were made to feel guilty for their success.  Academia has always had fringe thinkers and thank God.  No one realized they would so successfully convert the children of the wealthy to become self loathing anti Americans.  America the country that is most charitable. The country that saved the world in two wars, now hates itself. Not by the middle class or working class. They were spared the brainwashing they were sent to war.  By those who sacrificed Nothing for America. They wiggled out of their military duty. Look at our last three Presidents. One reservist who didn&#039;t serve  all of his time, one draft doger who doesn&#039;t know the definition of is or what sex is and finally one young lawyer who first real election was the Presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this country became a government owned and operated entity under LBJ,  vice  the citizen owned country it was created to be. It has been all down hill.  Believe it or no there was time when it was considered shameful to have the government help you.  Now citizens have been sytematically conditioned to believe the government owes them everything.  Would you ask  your neighbor for half his pay to subsidise your children who won&#8217;t work or have wrecked their lives with drugs?  NO! Yet that is exactly what welfare and healthcare are. By and large the productive carry the unproductive on their back. No one wants the widows and orphans out in the cold. Believe it or not in the 1960&#8243;s most Democrats believed this also. Then a brand of socialist vs. socially concerned politicians entered both parties.  Actually they wer built in the 1930&#8242;s and 1940&#8242;s, It just iook until the 1960&#8242;s for them to obtain positions of authority in politics and Academia. Socialist Democrats and Rockefeller Republicans.  Rich people who were made to feel guilty for their success.  Academia has always had fringe thinkers and thank God.  No one realized they would so successfully convert the children of the wealthy to become self loathing anti Americans.  America the country that is most charitable. The country that saved the world in two wars, now hates itself. Not by the middle class or working class. They were spared the brainwashing they were sent to war.  By those who sacrificed Nothing for America. They wiggled out of their military duty. Look at our last three Presidents. One reservist who didn&#8217;t serve  all of his time, one draft doger who doesn&#8217;t know the definition of is or what sex is and finally one young lawyer who first real election was the Presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Burnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 02:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Darren:  Do not expect anyone to know who Ivan Illich was or to understand your reference....or your light sarcasm, which is quite to the point in my estimation.

When corporations became solely investment vehicles and ceased to consider, as their primary business,  the function or product they were formed to produce, the ethics of &#039;business&#039; changed.

Should I start a business, I would endeavour to produce the very best product I could and sell it at a fair price until I discovered that I could sell any trash I wanted as a viable product and set my own rules if my congressional representatives got a large enough share.  In fact, I could write my own rules and make them the law of the land. If anyone complained I would simply hire lawyers and lobbyists and squash them or buy newspapers and TV stations and have my employees call them commies or conservatives or whatever name was unappealing that week and the  public simply wouldn&#039;t notice that I had gamed the system.

Ed Gutteling is a friend of free enterprise and I believe he thinks the less government meddling the better.  I agree, but with a caveat.  If the government is going to butt out of things in which they have no business or should have no say, they must get out across the board. Just get the hell out completely; but that&#039;s not what we observe.  What we see is that the people with the deepest pockets get the biggest taxpayer subsidies and the largest tax breaks.  They are called &quot;Too Big To Fail&quot;.  The rest of us are not too big to fail and we are failing, faster every day.

This story has already been chronicled numerous times. Look it up: &quot;Liberty, Equality, Fraternity: Exploring the French Revolution&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Darren:  Do not expect anyone to know who Ivan Illich was or to understand your reference&#8230;.or your light sarcasm, which is quite to the point in my estimation.</p>
<p>When corporations became solely investment vehicles and ceased to consider, as their primary business,  the function or product they were formed to produce, the ethics of &#8216;business&#8217; changed.</p>
<p>Should I start a business, I would endeavour to produce the very best product I could and sell it at a fair price until I discovered that I could sell any trash I wanted as a viable product and set my own rules if my congressional representatives got a large enough share.  In fact, I could write my own rules and make them the law of the land. If anyone complained I would simply hire lawyers and lobbyists and squash them or buy newspapers and TV stations and have my employees call them commies or conservatives or whatever name was unappealing that week and the  public simply wouldn&#8217;t notice that I had gamed the system.</p>
<p>Ed Gutteling is a friend of free enterprise and I believe he thinks the less government meddling the better.  I agree, but with a caveat.  If the government is going to butt out of things in which they have no business or should have no say, they must get out across the board. Just get the hell out completely; but that&#8217;s not what we observe.  What we see is that the people with the deepest pockets get the biggest taxpayer subsidies and the largest tax breaks.  They are called &#8220;Too Big To Fail&#8221;.  The rest of us are not too big to fail and we are failing, faster every day.</p>
<p>This story has already been chronicled numerous times. Look it up: &#8220;Liberty, Equality, Fraternity: Exploring the French Revolution&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonetheless, public concerns are distinct from private enterprise. I&#039;ve no problem with private enterprise, profitable or otherwise. It&#039;s the conflating of the two that is injurious to public wellness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonetheless, public concerns are distinct from private enterprise. I&#8217;ve no problem with private enterprise, profitable or otherwise. It&#8217;s the conflating of the two that is injurious to public wellness.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Would Dr. Gutteling suggest that law enforcement, road maintenance, or public education, among other public health and safety concerns, also be run as private businesses?&quot; 

We have had private schools and colleges for centuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Would Dr. Gutteling suggest that law enforcement, road maintenance, or public education, among other public health and safety concerns, also be run as private businesses?&#8221; </p>
<p>We have had private schools and colleges for centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We don’t expect the government to distribute food, or clothing, or shelter as an effective means to care for the community…&quot;

Would Dr. Gutteling suggest that law enforcement, road maintenance, or public education, among other public health and safety concerns, also be run as private businesses? 

The problem with privatizing the public commons is that &quot;money devalues what it can&#039;t measure&quot;, to quote Ivan Illich. Cooperative and equitable access to these things is not in the nature of the capitalist beast, if you will. Communities&#039; interests, monetary profit minimized, become a threat to those seeking market force profit.

For example, why distribute clean drinking water when you could run it for profit? Non-profit education? ..You could really pay teachers a lot more if we&#039;d just run it as a private enterprise.. Can&#039;t afford it? Screw you. This is survival of the greediest..

I ain&#039;t buyin&#039; it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We don’t expect the government to distribute food, or clothing, or shelter as an effective means to care for the community…&#8221;</p>
<p>Would Dr. Gutteling suggest that law enforcement, road maintenance, or public education, among other public health and safety concerns, also be run as private businesses? </p>
<p>The problem with privatizing the public commons is that &#8220;money devalues what it can&#8217;t measure&#8221;, to quote Ivan Illich. Cooperative and equitable access to these things is not in the nature of the capitalist beast, if you will. Communities&#8217; interests, monetary profit minimized, become a threat to those seeking market force profit.</p>
<p>For example, why distribute clean drinking water when you could run it for profit? Non-profit education? ..You could really pay teachers a lot more if we&#8217;d just run it as a private enterprise.. Can&#8217;t afford it? Screw you. This is survival of the greediest..</p>
<p>I ain&#8217;t buyin&#8217; it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OOPS as usual sorry for the typos</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it that General Practioners who worked for a profit made before. They wer not irrationally sued They were not gouged by government and insurance charges.   They simpy wer allowed to practice medicine. We have now specialized and complicated the process so much Dr.s are abandoning the system and the country.  This will not increase the numer of those  who get health care and I feel you figuire is a bit tilted.
Many are illegals, non productive citizens BY CHOICE, and as usual the truly poor and needy widows, orphans and mentally ill.  Go to ER and see all the substance abusers. They chose to wreck thir lives. 
Why should I subsidise their poor choice?  Why shpuld I pay to birth their children and then make them citizens? Why should I pay for criminals? Because this country has lost its mind! nI of course want to pay for the widows orphans and truly needy. If you are between 21 and 62 this country owes you opportunity not a free ride. I live on a small salary and a small pension which I literally roke my back for. I&#039;m not carrying healthy lazy young people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it that General Practioners who worked for a profit made before. They wer not irrationally sued They were not gouged by government and insurance charges.   They simpy wer allowed to practice medicine. We have now specialized and complicated the process so much Dr.s are abandoning the system and the country.  This will not increase the numer of those  who get health care and I feel you figuire is a bit tilted.<br />
Many are illegals, non productive citizens BY CHOICE, and as usual the truly poor and needy widows, orphans and mentally ill.  Go to ER and see all the substance abusers. They chose to wreck thir lives.<br />
Why should I subsidise their poor choice?  Why shpuld I pay to birth their children and then make them citizens? Why should I pay for criminals? Because this country has lost its mind! nI of course want to pay for the widows orphans and truly needy. If you are between 21 and 62 this country owes you opportunity not a free ride. I live on a small salary and a small pension which I literally roke my back for. I&#8217;m not carrying healthy lazy young people.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The primary driver of health care costs is the drive for profit...profit for medical clinics, medical equipment suppliers, health insurance companies, etc.

Health care costs should not include profit because it is impossible and inappropriate to value the value in dollar terms a healthy human being.

Remove profit from health care costs and you have sufficient funds to pay for the medical care of all Americans.

Imagine what life would be like without the worry of medical bills, co-pays, and cost of health insurance.

Doctors are not economists or accountants.  They know how to provide health care, not the economics of health care.

Huge amount so of money are spent promoting foods that are unhealthy.  Huge amounts of money are spent promoting prescriptions drugs whose benefits and side effects are generally beyond the understanding of the average person.

The current reality is that private business is thriving by promoting unhealthy products and bandaid fixes for the consequences of promoting these products.

Basic common sense has been forgotten because it has not been taught within the family, in schools, on television for some time now.

For instance, Dr. Dean Ornish created a program to reverse heart disease.  Over ten years ago, my own diabetic mother followed this program after being told that her heart function was not sufficient to survive open heart surgery.

After one year of following Dr. Ornish&#039;s program, her heart function had improved to the point where she had the surgery.  Yet she almost died because of the lack of communication among her various specialists.

We fired the doctors who refused to agree to a single point-person doctor and obtained doctors who were willing to co-operate.  And so she is still with us today.

1 in every 7 Americans have no access to health care, regardless of quality.


Given that our nation spends more per person than any other nation on Earth, this is quite simply unacceptalbe.

Take private profit out of healthcare and healthcare becomes an asset to this nation, rather than a liability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The primary driver of health care costs is the drive for profit&#8230;profit for medical clinics, medical equipment suppliers, health insurance companies, etc.</p>
<p>Health care costs should not include profit because it is impossible and inappropriate to value the value in dollar terms a healthy human being.</p>
<p>Remove profit from health care costs and you have sufficient funds to pay for the medical care of all Americans.</p>
<p>Imagine what life would be like without the worry of medical bills, co-pays, and cost of health insurance.</p>
<p>Doctors are not economists or accountants.  They know how to provide health care, not the economics of health care.</p>
<p>Huge amount so of money are spent promoting foods that are unhealthy.  Huge amounts of money are spent promoting prescriptions drugs whose benefits and side effects are generally beyond the understanding of the average person.</p>
<p>The current reality is that private business is thriving by promoting unhealthy products and bandaid fixes for the consequences of promoting these products.</p>
<p>Basic common sense has been forgotten because it has not been taught within the family, in schools, on television for some time now.</p>
<p>For instance, Dr. Dean Ornish created a program to reverse heart disease.  Over ten years ago, my own diabetic mother followed this program after being told that her heart function was not sufficient to survive open heart surgery.</p>
<p>After one year of following Dr. Ornish&#8217;s program, her heart function had improved to the point where she had the surgery.  Yet she almost died because of the lack of communication among her various specialists.</p>
<p>We fired the doctors who refused to agree to a single point-person doctor and obtained doctors who were willing to co-operate.  And so she is still with us today.</p>
<p>1 in every 7 Americans have no access to health care, regardless of quality.</p>
<p>Given that our nation spends more per person than any other nation on Earth, this is quite simply unacceptalbe.</p>
<p>Take private profit out of healthcare and healthcare becomes an asset to this nation, rather than a liability.</p>
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